anonymouscuban Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I started practicing swapping out mags to get quicker. One thing I quickly noticed is that I have to adjust the pistol slightly in my right hand in order to reach the mag release button with my right thumb. I'm shooting a CZ SP-01 with the stock rubber grips. Is it ideal to not have to adjust your grip to release the mag? Could thinner grips help me if so? Any other suggestions?Oh... please move if this is not the right forum for this post. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) I'm strictly a 2011 shooter but have the same problem with the stock magazine release. I added a paddle style button and problem solved. It may take a while to get used to it but in the long run well worth it. http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/magazine-release-parts/magazine-releases/mag-catch-button-prod24752.aspx Hopefully someone makes these for CZ guns. Edited April 25, 2017 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscuban Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'm planning on shooting Production Class. Is something like this paddle release Prod legal?Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Probably not. Sorry. You might want to check on thinner grips too, They may not be legal. Edited April 25, 2017 by Flatland Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscuban Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 Probably not. Sorry.I'm appreciate the suggestion. It may be something i just have to live with and practice.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I found my reloads were faster with the S2 style mag release compared to the 85C. Well, I don't know about faster but certainly more consistent. I wouldn't sacrifice grips for reloading if it affects your ability to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'd try a thinner set of grips. Otherwise I'd cut a notch in the grips for your thumb joint. I did this on some 1911s that I used to have to slightly adjust my grip on, and now I can reach it with no problem. I'm pretty sure grip modifications in Production are fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, resortboarder said: I'd try a thinner set of grips. Otherwise I'd cut a notch in the grips for your thumb joint. I did this on some 1911s that I used to have to slightly adjust my grip on, and now I can reach it with no problem. I'm pretty sure grip modifications in Production are fair game. I don't believe you are correct in your statement about production "division" grip modification. The definitive answer is the USPSA rule book. Check out the appendix on production and allowed modifications. Go to USPSA.org rules to get your very own copy ?. Other divisions are covered in there as well and mods may be allowed. For the OP, you can replace the grips with a slimmer profile grip as long as they are available on a factory produced of the same manufacturer. See it on CZ's all the time. molson Edited April 25, 2017 by molson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 7 hours ago, resortboarder said: I'd try a thinner set of grips. Otherwise I'd cut a notch in the grips for your thumb joint. I did this on some 1911s that I used to have to slightly adjust my grip on, and now I can reach it with no problem. I'm pretty sure grip modifications in Production are fair game. Say whaaaat? Grip mods in production are anything but fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, molson said: I don't believe you are correct in your statement about production "division" grip modification. The definitive answer is the USPSA rule book. Check out the appendix on production and allowed modifications. Go to USPSA.org rules to get your very own copy ?. Other divisions are covered in there as well and mods may be allowed. For the OP, you can replace the grips with a slimmer profile grip as long as they are available on a factory produced of the same manufacturer. See it on CZ's all the time. molson 55 minutes ago, Sarge said: Say whaaaat? Grip mods in production are anything but fair game. Read the ruling for yourself. Non OFM replacement grips are allowed (that don't extend below butt, etc) and checkering, stippling and tape also allowed as long as mods don't disengage safety. Plenty you can do to grips within the rules. 55 minutes ago, Sarge said: Edited April 25, 2017 by resortboarder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 2 hours ago, resortboarder said: Read the ruling for yourself. Non OFM replacement grips are allowed (that don't extend below butt, etc) and checkering, stippling and tape also allowed as long as mods don't disengage safety. Plenty you can do to grips within the rules. Yeah, I guess I'll have to read the rules someday. Oh wait, I have! There are only certain places you can stipple or tape per the app you copied. E4 specifically limits that. You cant under cut the trigger guard. You can't stipple the trigger guard. And you most certainly can NOT cut notches for your fingers. So, yes you can do a few things but for the most part, not so much. So, still not really fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobert1 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Listen to Sarge boys. He knoweth what he talketh about, always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Sarge said: Yeah, I guess I'll have to read the rules someday. Oh wait, I have! There are only certain places you can stipple or tape per the app you copied. E4 specifically limits that. You cant under cut the trigger guard. You can't stipple the trigger guard. And you most certainly can NOT cut notches for your fingers. So, yes you can do a few things but for the most part, not so much. So, still not really fair game. I 100% agree about undercutting and trigger guard stippling. That's not a part of the "grip panel" that I'm talking about. Not sure how you could stipple, checker or add tape but you can't have a recess. You remove material when you checker, so I'd think you could cut a thumb notch like so many replacement grip panels offer. Since you're doing the work yourself, maybe that's what makes it a "modification." I emailed Troy on this. We'll see what ruling he'd make. If I'm wrong then I'll happily have learned my lesson for the day. Edited April 25, 2017 by resortboarder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 You guys are talking about differnt things. resortboarder is talking about modifying the grip panels. You guys are talking about modifying the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sarge said: Yeah, I guess I'll have to read the rules someday. Oh wait, I have! There are only certain places you can stipple or tape per the app you copied. E4 specifically limits that. You cant under cut the trigger guard. You can't stipple the trigger guard. And you most certainly can NOT cut notches for your fingers. So, yes you can do a few things but for the most part, not so much. So, still not really fair game. Per Troy, "Cutting the grip panel, IMO, is not an issue, but there will be some who will want to move you to Open." I guess he meant you Sarge, unless you thought I was talking about the frame. Edited April 25, 2017 by resortboarder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, resortboarder said: Per Troy, "Cutting the grip panel, IMO, is not an issue, but there will be some who will want to move you to Open." I guess he meant you Sarge, unless you thought I was talking about the frame. I guess he does mean me because I have seen nothing that says a guy can cut a notch in a grip. His response is like many that contradict logic sometimes. You can't alter a Glock, M&P etc frame(grip) why would notching a side panel be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I don't see it here: https://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-NROI-rulings-listing.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 21 Authorized modifications (Strictly limited to these items and their stated guidelines) Please note that, during a match, a shooter may be required to demonstrate that their gun is in compliance with Division rules by identifying a specific rules clause or published interpretation which authorizes any disputed modification. If the shooter cannot identify an authorizing rules-clause or published interpretation, the RM shall rule that the modification is PROHIBITED for Production use and shall move the shooter to Open Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 22 Specifically prohibited Please note that the absence of an item in the list of modifications and features prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Production Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 22.2 Grips – any addition or removal of material which changes the factory profile or adds function such as beavertail or thumb rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Sarge said: I guess he does mean me because I have seen nothing that says a guy can cut a notch in a grip. His response is like many that contradict logic sometimes. You can't alter a Glock, M&P etc frame(grip) why would notching a side panel be any different? Because you can get grips made with notches cut and no notches. I see nothing wrong with his logic regarding grip alterations. It's the same as changing back and front straps. 22.2 is talking about the frame. Not the grip. Edited April 25, 2017 by SlvrDragon50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resortboarder Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sarge said: 22 Specifically prohibited Please note that the absence of an item in the list of modifications and features prohibited modifications MAY NOT be construed to mean a modification is allowed. A modification is only allowed in Production Division if there is a rules clause or interpretation which specifically declares that it is allowed in the Division. Key word, "modification." 2 hours ago, Sarge said: 22.2 Grips – any addition or removal of material which changes the factory profile or adds function such as beavertail or thumb rest. Key term, "factory profile." Neither are relevant to what I proposed. no function was added. 2 hours ago, SlvrDragon50 said: Because you can get grips made with notches cut and no notches. I see nothing wrong with his logic regarding grip alterations. It's the same as changing back and front straps. I agree. Edited April 25, 2017 by resortboarder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymouscuban Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 Interesting debate. I read through the rules and the post. My conclusion is that if I swap out the grips to another set that has the same profile as the factory grips I should be ok.I'm gonna practice some more with the stock grips to see if i can tune my technique some.Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) Definitely change grip panels. I run the SSI Scales 2.0 grips on my Tanfoglio. With the factory grips - which are contoured much like yours - I had to flip the pistol in my hand in order to thumb the mag catch. It's an easy reach without shifting my grip, now. Only the bottom 2/3s of the Scales grips have an outward bulge: And "mag swap" is an unconventional phrase, just so you're aware. If you call it a reload or a mag change you'll give everyone around here a better idea what you're referring to. Edited May 4, 2017 by MemphisMechanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahD Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 I always took that rule at face value (no grip panel mods in SS) just to stay on the safe side of the rules. That said, I have worn a noticeable, deep groove into the (rubber) left grip panel on my 1911 from constant mag changes (and have the matching callus on my right thumb from all the rubbing...). I've often wondered if an RO/MD would call me out for that since its no longer in its stock profile and one might assume I did it intentionally.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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