JKW Posted July 4, 2016 Share Posted July 4, 2016 This is my idea of the ultimate ESP gun. I like it better than my 9mm Trojan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 That is very nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGinIdaho Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Keep in mind, double stack mags are easier to stow in mag pouches when mags start on the table and must be stowed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 This is my idea of the ultimate ESP gun. I like it better than my 9mm Trojan. What exactly do you like more then a 2011?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racknrider Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 This is my idea of the ultimate ESP gun. I like it better than my 9mm Trojan. What exactly do you like more then a 2011?? Maybe all that pre travel in the trigger ? But seriously, does that magwell fit the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 That's funny. That is kind of why I was asking . I have never handled SAO CZ so I have nothing to compare it to. My 1911s triggers are amazing. Is CZ SAO have the same trigger? And the second question is because CZ has a lighter slide does it have less of a muzzle rise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskan454 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I've shot quite a few 1911s and never bought one in the end, I really like my SAO Shadow. The grip shape and safety feel more natural than a 1911 in my hand but everyone is different. If you want a super short 1911 style reset CZ Custom now offers a solution, check this out for more info: http://czcustom.com/cz-75-accu-shadow-lite-9mm-black.html As for muzzle rise you can tune your springs to get exactly what you want, I'm running an 11lb recoil spring with a 13lb mainspring and the gun stays pretty flat and is one of the softest shooting 9mm pistols I've tried. Lastly, there's an IDPA specific magwell so that is likely the one in JKW's picture: http://czcustom.com/cz-75-mag-well-fits-in-the-idpa.htmlI've been very tempted to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 (edited) All this sounds very interesting. For now until my funds change i will use a 1911 for ESP with Dawson ice magwell .by the end of the month I should have my SSP ready SP01 from CGW . I can't wait to shoot it side by side with a 1911. Maybe I will become a total convert. Thanks for all the info. Only 1 more question. Why a need for a SAO is it not DA/SA the same thing if it's cocked and locked? Edited July 5, 2016 by 1911vm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKW Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 (edited) This is my idea of the ultimate ESP gun. I like it better than my 9mm Trojan.What exactly do you like more then a 2011??I dunno...Maybe the 1k plus dollars I had left in my pocket after I bought it? Seriously though, I don't own a 2011, though I'm sure I will someday. As much as I love my 1911s, the Shadow fits my hands better and I seem to shoot it better. When considering the design, I prefer the 1911/2011 for its simplicity (though not its ease of home tuning) and more intuitive disassembly and reassembly. That shadow has lots of little parts and pieces that require care to keep straight and also to not lose.... The safety detents and their springs are shockingly tiny, and the sear cage can be mildly intimidating to work with the first time through. This is my idea of the ultimate ESP gun. I like it better than my 9mm Trojan.What exactly do you like more then a 2011??Maybe all that pre travel in the trigger But seriously, does that magwell fit the box? The trigger has very little pre travel and is adjustable internally. When I made it, I purposely designed and fit it so that I could remove the adjustment screws completely without seriously impacting pre and post travel. It rivals all but a well tuned 1911/2011 trigger in feel and can be made comparable to even those triggers with a drop in comp hammer. Yes that hammer would require potential fitting to get the safety working right....The required fitting is easily accomplished at home by all but the most inept tinkerer, but it can be avoided altogether by replacing the sear with an adjustable CGW sear. It currently breaks at a little over 2lbs with the factory hammer and sear and has only a little bit of creep, so I haven't popped for the hammer.The magwell is CZC's IDPA legal one and it reportedly fits in the box. I'm just a club level shooter (and not a very good one of those) so my gun hasn't been subjected to that level of scrutiny. Edited July 6, 2016 by JKW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johes Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) This is my idea of the ultimate ESP gun. I like it better than my 9mm Trojan. Exactly what I shoot and love it. And I also have a Trojan...in the safe. I also use a SP01 for SSP and don't have to adjust to different grip etc It fits the box easily with 18 rd SP01 mags trimmed to fit magwell. Edited July 23, 2016 by johes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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