rootacres Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I am getting started in 3 gun after doing a few USPSA pistol competitions. Ive built a rifle I am very happy with and my pistol is great. I am now looking at purchasing a shotgun, my pump gun is really slowing me down. I am impressed with the specs of the JM but a few people I have talked to have had mixed results with them out of the box. Is the JM still a great option or is the M3K the route to go? I am not in the market for Beneli or Versa max, they are more money than I would like to spend. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 930's don't work. M3000's seem to. If it where my money I wouldn't even consider the JM 930 an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logiztix Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 There are dozen page threads on here getting any one of the autoloading shotguns to run right. You can also spend hundreds of dollars doing so with either gun. Decide what loads you are going to run and which one fits you out of the box and then research the trouble spots. They all have them. In fact, ALL auto-loading shotguns have them. The trick is finding one where they have been found and addressed. Here are a couple of threads to get you started with your narrowed two: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173219 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196304 Anyone that hasn't run either one of these guns that is properly set up for the task is comparing apples to porcupines. A lot of people have gone before you and found/addressed the competition-specific issues with each platform. Incidentally, the biggest aftermarket support for the Stoegers, Saigas and Mossbergs comes from Oregon companies. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillG Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) There are dozen page threads on here getting any one of the autoloading shotguns to run right. You can also spend hundreds of dollars doing so with either gun. Decide what loads you are going to run and which one fits you out of the box and then research the trouble spots. They all have them. In fact, ALL auto-loading shotguns have them. The trick is finding one where they have been found and addressed. Here are a couple of threads to get you started with your narrowed two: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173219 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196304 Anyone that hasn't run either one of these guns that is properly set up for the task is comparing apples to porcupines. A lot of people have gone before you and found/addressed the competition-specific issues with each platform. Incidentally, the biggest aftermarket support for the Stoegers, Saigas and Mossbergs comes from Oregon companies. Hmm. ^^This is good advice. As far as "930's don't run," that hasn't been my experience. I bought a 930JM pro about a year ago and have had only two issues with it. Initially the juncture between the magazine tube and nordic extension was a little rough and would catch the follower, but about 10 minutes of light polishing fixed that problem for good. Also, after about 400 rounds the pivot pin for the shell stop broke, causing the gun to stop feeding shells from the magazine tube. Mossberg sent me a replacement pin plus a few extra for my spares bin no questions asked. I haven't had any issues with the shell stop since. I have replaced the stock lifter with a welded and polished lifter from CJ SMith at Sky Tac, and am gradually working through all of the performance tweaks that are recommended for 930s (including adding some of the performance parts from one of those companies in Oregon!). I am happy with the shotgun, especially considering how inexpensive it has been thus far. As long as I keep it clean it runs like a top. Can't speak to the Stoeger but I've read they may have some quirks of their own, and they do require some additional parts to be "3-gun" ready when compared to the 930. . Edited September 3, 2015 by WillG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrmblr Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 My JM-Pro has been flawless. Because of this: http://www.migunowners.org/forum/showthread.php?287224-PICS-Mossberg-930-JM-Pro-reliability-services-(New-Out-Of-Box) I just shot a shotgun run and gun with about 200-rds, and it ran without hiccup. Also added OR3GUN marine spacer tube and Nordic follower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrmblr Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 There are dozen page threads on here getting any one of the autoloading shotguns to run right. You can also spend hundreds of dollars doing so with either gun. Decide what loads you are going to run and which one fits you out of the box and then research the trouble spots. They all have them. In fact, ALL auto-loading shotguns have them. The trick is finding one where they have been found and addressed. Here are a couple of threads to get you started with your narrowed two: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=173219 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=196304 Anyone that hasn't run either one of these guns that is properly set up for the task is comparing apples to porcupines. A lot of people have gone before you and found/addressed the competition-specific issues with each platform. Incidentally, the biggest aftermarket support for the Stoegers, Saigas and Mossbergs comes from Oregon companies. Hmm. ^^This is good advice. As far as "930's don't run," that hasn't been my experience. I bought a 930JM pro about a year ago and have had only two issues with it. Initially the juncture between the magazine tube and nordic extension was a little rough and would catch the follower, but about 10 minutes of light polishing fixed that problem for goon. Also, after about 400 rounds the pivot pin for the shell stop broke, causing the gun to stop feeding shells from the magazine tube. Mossberg sent me a replacement pin plus a few extra for my spares bin no questions asked. I haven't had any issues with the shell stop since. I have replaced the stock lifter with a welded and polished lifter from CJ SMith at Sky Tac, and am gradually working through all of the performance tweaks that are recommended for 930s (including adding some of the performance parts from one of those companies in Oregon!). I am happy with the shotgun, especially considering how inexpensive it has been thus far. As long as I keep it clean it runs like a top. Can't speak to the Stoeger, but I've read they have some quirks of their own, and they do require more additional parts to be "3-gun" ready when compared to the 930. . +1 "CJ SMith at Sky Tac" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Maybe I'm the odd man out, I just prefer guns that have better than a 50/50 shot at working when they come out of the box. But what do I know, my 3G shotgun is only at 5k+ rounds without cleaning, malfunctions or broke/wore out parts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillG Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Maybe I'm the odd man out, I just prefer guns that have better than a 50/50 shot at working when they come out of the box. But what do I know, my 3G shotgun is only at 5k+ rounds without cleaning, malfunctions or broke/wore out parts.... What sort of shotgun do you run? Edit: As Scrmblr said below, I'm happy with the JM considering what it cost and the minimal amount of work I've had to do to it. No more, no less. It's certainly no Benelli or Versamax, but neither of those were in the budget at the time. Edited September 4, 2015 by WillG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrmblr Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Maybe I'm the odd man out, I just prefer guns that have better than a 50/50 shot at working when they come out of the box. But what do I know, my 3G shotgun is only at 5k+ rounds without cleaning, malfunctions or broke/wore out parts.... No worries man, not a fanboy for JM Pros, just had very little $ and was able to make the gun run for me out of the box with a little sweat equity. If I was buying another I'd likely get a M3000 from MOA, but then I'd be paying for the work instead of doing it myself. When I when the lottery I'll give everyone TT Benellis and Versamax's. Edited September 4, 2015 by Scrmblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 A 1301. I like tinkering with guns, and I'd tinker and polish any gun no matter how perfect it already ran. What I don't like is working on them to keep them alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Maybe I'm the odd man out, I just prefer guns that have better than a 50/50 shot at working when they come out of the box. But what do I know, my 3G shotgun is only at 5k+ rounds without cleaning, malfunctions or broke/wore out parts....No worries man, not a fanboy for JM Pros, just had very little $ and was able to make the gun run for me out of the box with a little sweat equity. If I was buying another I'd likely get a M3000 from MOA, but then I'd be paying for the work instead of doing it myself. When I when the lottery I'll give everyone TT Benellis and Versamax's. Alright. I'm patiently awaiting the day you win the lottery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrmblr Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 My buddy who started at the same time as I did, has the Beretta 1301 and loves it. Granted he only had to buy a tube and carriers. But his runs great, and it was around $1K all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillG Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 A 1301. I like tinkering with guns, and I'd tinker and polish any gun no matter how perfect it already ran. What I don't like is working on them to keep them alive. Very nice. And I know what you mean about continually working on a gun to keep it alive. I have noticed that if you don't keep the 930 cleaned on a regular basis it will come back to bite you. It definitely takes more consistent work than I expected when I bought it. Question on the Beretta - what's the shortest length of pull the stock can be adjusted to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 PM sent WillG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrmblr Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 A 1301. I like tinkering with guns, and I'd tinker and polish any gun no matter how perfect it already ran. What I don't like is working on them to keep them alive. Very nice. And I know what you mean about continually working on a gun to keep it alive. I have noticed that if you don't keep the 930 cleaned on a regular basis it will come back to bite you. It definitely takes more consistent work than I expected when I bought it. Question on the Beretta - what's the shortest length of pull the stock can be adjusted to? Very true. I drop the piston in my sonic cleaner after every range day, then hit with dry teflon spray. No worse than my M249 SAW's gas piston in the Army... But I can't justify replacing it when it keeps crushing stages for me. If it $hit the bed on me I'd replace it, but it keeps running... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouse Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I love tinkering too but shooting time is precious in my world. When. Get to shoot I want to shoot. A used m1 can be found at a good price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgj3 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Here's another vote for the JM. I have 2 myself. One 22" set up for "only 8 in the tube" matches. One 24" with 12rd tube. Both work great for me. Just recently found out that they will even run the 26gram "low recoil, low noise" Winchester stuff that I had assumed would only work in a pump or O/U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HCH Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I have the 930 Flannigan and it runs great. I clean it every once in a while, and pour oil on it before each match, just like my other guns. Low cost, low recoil, very reliable.. what's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I'd go back in the archives - lots of great info. J. Kelley seems to be The Man re: shotguns on this Forum, and he has a LOT of experience with all the shotguns. If you cannot find his postings, I'd drop him a message - he recommends a particular brand, but I don't remember which it is (NOT the 930). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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