ArrDave Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 So I picked up a Dan Wesson Valor with the intent of shooting CDP this year. Used to have a Glock 21 and could cloverleaf with ease at 10 yes... Shooting at the top end of Sharpshooter with my 34, then I transition to this 1911 and have this hideous flinch. I made freaking marksman on my classifier because I missed 2 head shots and was 71(!) points down on the third stage. At 7 yes it's good for about 3-4 inches 10 -15 it gets closer to a foot and way worse at 20, nearly the length of the target? Anyone have methods for training through a flinch aside from dry firing? I dry fire a decent amount as is. Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJH Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 It is probably not a flinch, but a difference in triggers. After coming off a striker fired gun I had the same problem for a little while. Once I got used to the shorter trigger travel the problem went away. I bet if you fired slowfire (as in 1 shot at the target, lower the gun and shoot again with concentration on slowly breaking the trigger) the problem would go away. Basically shoot awhile till you get used to the different trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganbillJ Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Agreed. It is the difference in the way the triggers break. I recently switched to a 2011 from a glock. My accuracy and speed is slowly coming back after a lot of dry and live fire. Slow fire with the 2011 trigger is easy. Its a tack driver. Accuracy at speed is the kicker. Edited February 8, 2015 by LoganbillJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 I hope it is as simple as you guys say. Super humbling running the gun well but being unable to get good hits even when I think I am taking enough time Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Agreed. It is the difference in the way the triggers break. I recently switched to a 2011 from a glock. My accuracy and speed is slowly coming back after a lot of dry and live fire. Slow fire with the 2011 trigger is easy. Its a tack driver. Accuracy at speed is the kicker. Ok that is where we differ, I cannot get good accuracy period Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganbillJ Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 How much group shooting have you done? Taking the time to shoot groups will show you where your short comings are with your trigger pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotMRD Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Agreed. It is the difference in the way the triggers break. I recently switched to a 2011 from a glock. My accuracy and speed is slowly coming back after a lot of dry and live fire. Slow fire with the 2011 trigger is easy. Its a tack driver. Accuracy at speed is the kicker. I've been going through the same thing. 14 years on glocks then switched to a 2011 in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 How much group shooting have you done? Taking the time to shoot groups will show you where your short comings are with your trigger pull. Not much. I usually shoot a weekly indoor match and that's it. I probably need to do that more Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Shot slow fire at lunch, minor flinch. Dropping shots resulted from extending as far out with the gun as I do my Glocks. When I backed it off a little the bullets started going where I wanted them to. Also noticed something wildly important: at some point during the match yesterday the locktite on my rear sight gave up and my sight was swinging freely in the dovetail in recoil, so I was likely battling that in stage 3 as well. I do over extend on each string of fire for the first shot, so it looks like dry fire is going to cure what ails me. Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midvalleyshooter Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Try one of these once a week for a few weeks: https://www.google.com/search?q=dot+drill+shooting&sa=X&biw=1600&bih=742&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=VWfbVL2_DozpoASdlIGwAg&ved=0CC0QsAQ#imgdii=_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTDMFR Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Agreed. It is the difference in the way the triggers break. I recently switched to a 2011 from a glock. My accuracy and speed is slowly coming back after a lot of dry and live fire. Slow fire with the 2011 trigger is easy. Its a tack driver. Accuracy at speed is the kicker. Agreed. Even different triggers in the same pistol makes a difference. I shoot an M&P with a stock trigger relatively flinch-free. When I tried my brother's M&P with the new flat-faced trigger, I pulled the sights out of alignment very noticeably whenever the trigger broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewtac Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 same issue for me, switching from a glock to a CZ. So both a DA and SA now from a striker. Shooting some singles on DA for a bit, then DA/SA, then speed it up tell I flinch; repeat. It has gotten better, but still not the Glock. When I am shooting it correctly it is quicker and more accurate; but then I go stupid and start slinging them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArrDave Posted February 18, 2015 Author Share Posted February 18, 2015 Try one of these once a week for a few weeks: https://www.google.com/search?q=dot+drill+shooting&sa=X&biw=1600&bih=742&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=VWfbVL2_DozpoASdlIGwAg&ved=0CC0QsAQ#imgdii=_ I actually will be attempting my first one this week. I've been shooting groups slowly, but my confidence at speed is shattered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
himurax13 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 It takes me a while to transition between Glocks, CZ75's, and 1911's. Sometimes the size of the gun/caliber can affect my accuracy at speed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bountyhunter Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 So I picked up a Dan Wesson Valor with the intent of shooting CDP this year. Used to have a Glock 21 and could cloverleaf with ease at 10 yes... Shooting at the top end of Sharpshooter with my 34, then I transition to this 1911 and have this hideous flinch. I made freaking marksman on my classifier because I missed 2 head shots and was 71(!) points down on the third stage. At 7 yes it's good for about 3-4 inches 10 -15 it gets closer to a foot and way worse at 20, nearly the length of the target? Anyone have methods for training through a flinch aside from dry firing? I dry fire a decent amount as is. Sent from an iDevice. Please forgive any grammatical or spelling errors. If the post doesn't make sense or is not amusing then it is technology's fault and most certainly not operator error. The difference is a gun like a Glock is fired by "pulling through" the trigger since it gives no indication of break. A 1911 works best if you stage the trigger to the break point, stabilize everything then break the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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