al503 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I had 2 casepros. One in 9mm and one in 38 SC. Neither seemed to touch the extractor rim of the cases even after 10+ firings. I stuck a 9x23 in the SC dies and it did size the rim down but it was still about .005" larger than my oldest, most shot SC brass. I don't think they would ever get large enough for the casepro to touch the rim. I got a Lee U and FCD and while you could see just the slightest bulge still at the base of the case, the loaded rounds still plunked into the barrel and even had a slight amount of wiggle room. I sold that casepro. I sold all of the 38SC pistols and now I load 9mm for both limited and open. I took the guts out of a Lee FCD and put that in station 2 of the 1050. The widest part of the sized brass after going through the FCD was only .001" larger than factory WWB and only .0015" larger than what the case pro was giving me. The loaded rounds would plunk into all of my barrels and it also has just the slightest bit of wiggle room. I sold that casepro also. The machines I had were manufactured many years ago and they didn't make duplex dies back then so things may have changed. All I know is that I haven't had a single failure with any of the ammo loaded without rolling them. Unless you're shooting glocked brass and your chamber(s) is overly tight and you're having issues, I wouldn't worry about getting a casepro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) Ok Do you mean you don't have the dies for rifle brass.? I don't have dies for 556/223 but already ordered. I mean, I doubt he even makes dies for some of the rounds I shoot and I know I wouldn't buy them if he did.458 socom, 45-70, many of the belted magnums and other rounds that I just have a better handle on (or more hands on time) involved in case prep. For example I have 7mm BR brass that is 20 years old and never hit the ground, much less been FL resized. Roll sizing it would be a waist of time. Edited January 31, 2015 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halimar Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 According to UniqueTek Tips File #12, by Lee Love and dated Rev. 2; 07/2012, there are two types of pistol case bulge: 1) symmetrically bulged cases cause by an unduly large chamber, and 2) asymmetrically, “pregnant” bulged cases caused by a chamber that is not fully supported. The article goes on to say that asymmetrically bulged cases are commonly spent from 1911s without a ramped barrel, and GLOCKs chambered for .40 S&W. I don’t own a .40 S&W GLOCK, but I do have an unfired 1911. I am confident it has a ramped barrel. So, it sounds like the best approach for me, right now, is to first consult my set of L.E. Wilson Pistol Max Gauges to determine if I have a problem. If I do then, according to that same article – and without giving serious consideration to modifying the shellplate or using undersized dies – the choice is between a Pass-Through Resizing Die and the Case-Pro 100. (The Redding Reloading Gr-X Push-Through Base Sizing Die is only made for .40 S&W, 10mm and .357 SIG.) It looks like the Magma Engineering Case Master Jr., which is based on a pass-through resizing die system, would be the way to go for me since I am only reloading rimless pistol cartridges – in 9mm Luger and .45 ACP. Yes, the OCD part of me is disturbed that it can remove some of the case rim during resizing, though keeping the rim of the resized case within SAAMI specifications. However, it’s a lot – and I mean a whole lot less costly than the Case-Pro 100, which sounds like the Cadillac of the options. Case bulge resizing? If my L.E. Wilson Pistol Max Gauges say so. Otherwise, as Brian Ott recently told me after he honed, tuned and otherwise fixed a pistol I had put together from “ill-advised choices” of custom parts…that wouldn’t shoot more than one round before jamming, “Stop buying pistols and start using your money to get some training on how to shoot them.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ryder Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Yep. You NEED a CasePro100 AND a Mr. Bullet Feeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbat Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I sold all of the 38SC pistols and now I load 9mm for both limited and open. 9mm for Limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al503 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 I sold all of the 38SC pistols and now I load 9mm for both limited and open. 9mm for Limited? Yup. All of my joints are bad. 147 grains at minor is easy on the elbows and a little easier on the pocket book v. .40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 According to UniqueTek Tips File #12, by Lee Love and dated Rev. 2; 07/2012, there are two types of pistol case bulge Unless it is brass we have fired from a "loose" SMG, I find that the casepro is more usefull in ironing out the rim, not any bulge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfilbey Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I looked at the case pro a few years ago. It occurred to me I could buy buckets of once fired brass for the cost of a case pro to replace the few bad ones I might "save". just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdy1 Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I tried lee and Dillon dies while reloading for my glock kkm barrel.. neither worked good. used a friends case pro...all problems solved, and Dillon 650 runs better also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach1soldier Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I shoot a few 1911 / 2011's with very tight chambers. The case pro isn't necessary but it reduces my case gauge failure by almost 99%. I shoot range pick up brass so I like it. If you buy once fired brass or just throw out all the glocked brass, you won't need it. I figured the price was worth it since they don't lose much value even used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theogre Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) when I started I was just using my regular dillon dies. I would have a few rounds that wouldnt go into the case gauge about 10 percent. Then I started buying rolled brass and noticed that I only had about 1 round out of 500 fail the case gauge. And the effort to run my 650 is much less, when u dont have to size the brass, the force required is way less. I automated my case pro for about $250. I can run between 800 and 1000 rounds an hour. I actually ended up buying a second case pro, and run brass for the 5 of us that travel together, they buy me beer I let my machine run.... Long story short I love it and would not go back. Between all calibers in the last year I have rolled about 60 gal of brass. Edited February 27, 2015 by theogre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrussell Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Theories, how did you automate your case pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrussell Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Darn automatic spell check; I meant to address my last post to "theogre." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach1soldier Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I'm wondering the same thing about automating. I would love to automate mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 This is the thread on the first one I automated. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=99460&hl=%2Bauto+%2Bcase+%2Bpro#entry1137058 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach1soldier Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Jmorris, I'm a newb at this so bear with me. Is the torque on the motor set collars acting as a clutch? So when the motor gets hungup, the set collars aren't tight enough to hold onto the motor or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Yes, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzZ990 Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Has anyone checked out the new AUTO DEBULGE 40 at aplusvictoryproducsts.com?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Has anyone checked out the new AUTO DEBULGE 40 at aplusvictoryproducsts.com?? Sorry what's your association with this company exactly? Every post of yours seems to be shilling for this product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Z Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Did anyone mention that you need one because you've got an extra $825 you don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think most folks load on Dillons, and most folks don't realize that Dillons pistol sizing dies don't size as far down on the base as most other dies. This is because they have wider mouths - I guess to prevent cases from jamming on the die mouth. At some point they may have issues with cases not-gauging or jamming their guns. Roll sizing is the best and most expensive one way to fix it. Using a non-Dillon sizing die (doesn't even have to be a U-die) is dramatically less expensive and will take care of 99.9% of problems. And the skinflints will continue to wonder why their guns are always jamming at matches. My $.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think most folks load on Dillons, and most folks don't realize that Dillons pistol sizing dies don't size as far down on the base as most other dies. The only Dillon machines I have that always are used with Dillon dies are my two SD's. If your loading on a 550, 650 or 1050 you can use any brand of die you wish. That said many make dies with a chamfer on the mouth for progressive press use. AZ, your link didn't work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterthefish Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think most folks load on Dillons, and most folks don't realize that Dillons pistol sizing dies don't size as far down on the base as most other dies.The only Dillon machines I have that always are used with Dillon dies are my two SD's. If your loading on a 550, 650 or 1050 you can use any brand of die you wish. That said many make dies with a chamfer on the mouth for progressive press use.AZ, your link didn't work for me. I think most folks who get in with Dillons tend to buy their dies as well. My sizing dies (mostly RCBS, couple Hornady and Lee) all have chamfered mouths but they all size further down to the base than Dillon dies. A few fellow shooters with 929s could not get their brass to fit consistently when sized w Dillon dies - I never had a problem. I think folks tend to go from Dillon sizing dies to the U Die and that solves their problem. They never take the intermediate step and realize just about any other sizing die will help with bulged brass / tight chambered guns more than a Dillon. The link from AZ is misspelled. I went to the site by typing in and fixing typo at end. Looks like the site was put up a couple weeks ago shortly before AZ joined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Wouldn't have any idea what most use but no brand of size die will fix an out of spec case where it is in the shell holder, like a ding in the rim caused by the ejector or extractor. The case pro can address this area. Thanks, took a look at the other machine but have no idea what it is doing, $1300 and limited to two calibers is a turn off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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