Halimar Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I thought I had accumulated virtually everything I needed to begin reloading: New Dillon XL 650 with Dillon and third-party after-market accessories; Forster Co-Ax; Redding dies; Giraud Power Trimmer; RCBS Chargemaster Combo; a bookshelf full of reloading manuals; boxes of new or once-fired cases; 1,000's of bullets; jugs of powder; Thumbler's Tumbler; and the list goes on and on ($$$). Now tonight, browsing postings, I see a thread about the Case-Pro 100. You could've knocked me over with a feather. How did I miss it? Must I purchase that, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Vigilante Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Only if you want to roll-size your brass to restore it to factory specs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halimar Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Only if you want to roll-size your brass to restore it to factory specs Is it primarily necessary to resize brass at the base when it is used in match-type custom fitted barrels, hot reloads, or reloaded multiple times? If failure to return cases to factory specs when reloading commonly causes feeding problems in production pistols, then I am surprised that major manufacturers of reloading equipment aren't offering something like the Case-Pro 100. I guess the most practical decision would be to wait and see if I need it in my own situation before placing an order. However, with the long wait times others have mentioned, if I need it then I'd rather go ahead and place the order now v. some months later when I start having problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This is my experience......I roll size every pistol case on my Case-pro 100 and then load...99% will chamber NO problem. It is good to know that The case base and rim are as close to OEM specs as possible. Every reloader will benefit from roll sizing no matter what type of gun you are shooting. Yes the wait is LOOOONG but it is worth it. That's why I own 2x Case-pro 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Do you have to have one? No. I reloaded for more than 25 years without one. Went 20 years with out a case gauge. Both are just tools that help, not necessities. Edited January 30, 2015 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Do you have to have one? No. I reloaded for more than 25 years without one. Went 20 years with out a case gauge. Both are just tools that help, not necessities. Would you reload without a Case-pro or any other roll sizer now? No case gauge but checked rounds using the "barrel plunk" method? And jmorris is correct...You don't need it but it sure won't hurt if you get and use one. Edited January 30, 2015 by Kaskillo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 You don't need a case pro. Start reading those manuals. You will be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosshooter00 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 My buddy got a CasePro after reading threads like the ones that got your attention. He uses it on .38 SuperComp every tenth reload, or fairly close, and really hasn't noticed a difference compared to the fifteen years prior to purchasing. He volunteered to do mine, so I let him, but I see no discernible difference from one to the other. My .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This is my experience......I roll size every pistol case on my Case-pro 100 and then load...99% will chamber NO problem. It is good to know that The case base and rim are as close to OEM specs as possible. Same here! Only I get it with a LEE die or sometimes a Udie for about $40 total! If somebody gave me one, sure I would take it. But I would never pay so much for so little. At some point most of us need to draw the line when it comes to $$$. I would rather spend close to $1000 on powder and primers to last me quite awhile! You don't NEED half the stuff we buy. Truth be told, I could load my ammo on a $100 LEE loader and it would be just as good. I shoot less than 10k rounds a year and have enough crap hanging off of my 650 to load that much on a cold Saturday afternoon. To each there own, but you will never miss having a case pro. But I did notice you didn't mention a bullet feeder in your list OP. Now that, is something you need! lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hmmmm....wonder why 99% of the serious commercial reloaders DO roll size the brass before loading...... Some people say they don't need to roll size and choose to roll size. I am good on powder, primers, bullets and brass for at least 2 years. Still have my 2x Case-pro and 3x Dillon presses. And NO I am not affiliated to Case-pro in any way.....I pay for all my stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This is my experience......I roll size every pistol case on my Case-pro 100 and then load...99% will chamber NO problem. It is good to know that The case base and rim are as close to OEM specs as possible. Same here! Only I get it with a LEE die or sometimes a Udie for about $40 total! If somebody gave me one, sure I would take it. But I would never pay so much for so little. At some point most of us need to draw the line when it comes to $$$. I would rather spend close to $1000 on powder and primers to last me quite awhile! You don't NEED half the stuff we buy. Truth be told, I could load my ammo on a $100 LEE loader and it would be just as good. I shoot less than 10k rounds a year and have enough crap hanging off of my 650 to load that much on a cold Saturday afternoon. To each there own, but you will never miss having a case pro. But I did notice you didn't mention a bullet feeder in your list OP. Now that, is something you need! lolol Bullet feeder....I love it! But to be honest.....how good is a bullet feeder if you are placing the bullet on a case that has rim/base issues.......that's why roll sizing is SO good....it just takes care of what NO other form of sizing can, period. But yeah, you choose how you process/reload your brass/ammo and how you spend/invest your hard earned money. At the end of the day, whatever makes you happy is what really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This is my experience......I roll size every pistol case on my Case-pro 100 and then load...99% will chamber NO problem. It is good to know that The case base and rim are as close to OEM specs as possible. Same here! Only I get it with a LEE die or sometimes a Udie for about $40 total! If somebody gave me one, sure I would take it. But I would never pay so much for so little. At some point most of us need to draw the line when it comes to $$$. I would rather spend close to $1000 on powder and primers to last me quite awhile! You don't NEED half the stuff we buy. Truth be told, I could load my ammo on a $100 LEE loader and it would be just as good. I shoot less than 10k rounds a year and have enough crap hanging off of my 650 to load that much on a cold Saturday afternoon. To each there own, but you will never miss having a case pro. But I did notice you didn't mention a bullet feeder in your list OP. Now that, is something you need! lolol How do you size the rim and base with a Standard or UD Lee die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Really? A pissing contest over a friggin' case pro? About 99% of my brass gauges just fine. The other few that don't is because of the rim probably. But they shoot just fine in my guns too. So, I really don't know what to say other than to repeat, A case pro is not needed to make good ammo. I would imagine commercial reloaders use them because if a bad round slips by that won't chamber somebody will get on the internet and tell everybody their ammo is junk. At that point a pallet of case pros is a good investment. And no, he doesn't need a bullet feeder either. Hence the lolol and the little devil emoticon. It's called good natured humor. Unfortunately I can't argue any further with you on the subject. And, even funnier, I'm not allowed to say why I can't argue anymore. So if you want to continue to fire shots in this gun free zone, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hmmmm....wonder why 99% of the serious commercial reloaders DO roll size the brass before loading...... Some people say they don't need to roll size and choose to roll size. I am good on powder, primers, bullets and brass for at least 2 years. Still have my 2x Case-pro and 3x Dillon presses. And NO I am not affiliated to Case-pro in any way.....I pay for all my stuff. You only have 2 years of powder and primers. That's childs play. I probably have 5-6 years worth at least. Getting close to needing to order more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 You don't need a case pro. Start reading those manuals. You will be good to go. Kaskillo, you better jump on this guy. He disagrees with you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 My buddy got a CasePro after reading threads like the ones that got your attention. He uses it on .38 SuperComp every tenth reload, or fairly close, and really hasn't noticed a difference compared to the fifteen years prior to purchasing. He volunteered to do mine, so I let him, but I see no discernible difference from one to the other. My .02 And him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Do you have to have one? No. I reloaded for more than 25 years without one. Went 20 years with out a case gauge. Both are just tools that help, not necessities. And him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I am not arguing with anybody. We are discussing the topic. I think we have different opinion and that's OK if we discuss without crossing the line and always with respect. Sorry if I said anything wrong and my apologies because it was never my intention to cause any issues. Edited January 30, 2015 by Kaskillo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I think the big difference between using a casepro and not totally depends on where you get your brass. If you use range pickup, I think its better to roll size it. if you keep most of your brass in a closed loop and don't introduce outside unknowns then you probably will be fine. fwiw, I casepro every pistol case I load. its worth it to me to have zero malfunctions...and the casepro is the 1st step in insuring zero malfs. jmho... jj Edited January 30, 2015 by RiggerJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I get brass from different ranges (indoor and outdoor) I guess I get more cases with "issues". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDA Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The only pistol I reload is 9mm on an XL 650 (and do not have a Case Pro). I have very few issues with all the brass I have had (from Starline to very grungy mixed range brass I picked out of the mud). I use Redding dies for 9mm and it sizes the case properly so that it fits my hundo case gauge (and Dillon and Lyman gauges too) and chamber in my guns fine. The problems I see on the rare occasion usually has nothing to do with sizing. The Case Pro may be more necessary for manufacturers or possibly for other calibers (.40 for instance) but the cost is significant for the average reloader. I love to buy tools/gadgets/etc. to make my life easier/better/more efficient but I don't think a Case Pro is needed for the investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 guess I should have added that I load 9mm minor and major, 40, and 45 pistol ammo. Yep, its a big investment. worth it? to me, yes. I could sell it right now for more than I have in it, but I am keeping it, because it is worth the time money and trouble. jmho jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Would you reload without a Case-pro or any other roll sizer now? No case gauge but checked rounds using the "barrel plunk" method? Sure, I still load rounds that can't be base sized with my casepro machines and I don't have a case gauge for. However, I don't have any brass for the rifles and pistols for them that are range pickups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Ok Do you mean you don't have the dies for rifle brass.? I don't have dies for 556/223 but already ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The only pistol I reload is 9mm on an XL 650 (and do not have a Case Pro). I have very few issues with all the brass I have had (from Starline to very grungy mixed range brass I picked out of the mud). I use Redding dies for 9mm and it sizes the case properly so that it fits my hundo case gauge (and Dillon and Lyman gauges too) and chamber in my guns fine. The problems I see on the rare occasion usually has nothing to do with sizing. Same here, except I use LEE and EGW dies on occasion now. All 9mm, All range pick up. Mostly from area matches that has been stepped on, ground into the sand mud and gravel. Left in 5 gallon buckets all summer. Cleaned and loaded in the winter. Absolutely no problems loading the brass over and over to 9MAJOR and minor. It just works. I also use the shockbottle gauge and it is pretty tight. I get about 4ish rejects per hundred. Those will gauge in my old Dillon gauge and they all chamber fine in my Open gun and XDM. But I still throw them in the practice bin just to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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