LostWorm Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 PLCs are usually priced out of the range of something someone is going to want to pay for a machine. Although that may work great for you, it's probably not feasible for building and sending to hundreds or thousands of people wanting to have bolt-on automation for their 1050. We will be adding functionality later on that will accomplish the same thing without having to use limit switches or measuring motor load. How fast can you run that setup, if you don't mind my asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach1soldier Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What happens if you run out of powder on an ammobot? I know the 1050 has an alarm but guessing it keeps going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostWorm Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 What happens if you run out of powder on an ammobot? I know the 1050 has an alarm but guessing it keeps going? It does keep going. The machine stops automatically when it runs out of primers, so that is an excellent opportunity to fill the powder hopper when necessary. None of the companies that build automation for the 1050 recommend running their machine unsupervised, including us. So, there shouldn't be a problem with running out of powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I've got a MK7, love it. Been playing with it for a few days now. Not sure why they didn't just wire the primer sensor directly to a Dillon low primer sensor, same with low powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) PLCs are usually priced out of the range of something someone is going to want to pay for a machine. How fast can you run that setup, if you don't mind my asking? I used an automation direct "click" Plc, you can get them for as little as $69.http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Programmable_Controllers/CLICK_Series_PLCs_(Stackable_Micro_Brick) Edited September 13, 2015 by jmorris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 This is about as fast as I have run a 1050 reliably and that is just for processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostWorm Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 This is about as fast as I have run a 1050 reliably and that is just for processing. That's not the same machine you had in your previous video. Part of the problem with a rotary drive is that it requires modification to the 1050. The AmmoBot is a bolt on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 No it is not the same machine, just the fastest I have have run a 1050 I converted without problems (again just processing). When I load, I actually run them slower than I can load manually. As an example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-RxMulCqbQ The "juice" is that I just drop the primers off from the filler into the machine then top off the collators (primer, bullet and case) and hit two buttons and lock the door. Then let my "reloading specialist" watch operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cueballhall Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I like the Forcht machine setups. They have auto cutoff switches when primers are low, powder hoppers are low and when the powder charge is incorrect. https://vimeo.com/144229845 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cueballhall Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 https://vimeo.com/144229926https://vimeo.com/144229974 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Kind of going in circles now, I pointed out in post #3 that Craig's conversion reverts the Super pretty much back to an RL in stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 The auto drive wars are heating up. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ano Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Competition is a good thing for us consumers. Allthough its hurting my wallet pretty darn bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerBaron Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Nice setup cueball. There is something calming about watching 2 auto drive 1050s in sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeeg Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Any plans for a ammobot for a 650? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0kawn Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I'm really enjoying my AmmoBot. I've not had it terribly long, but long enough to know I should have bought it sooner! Overall, it's incredibly simple to set up and operate. I'm far from a mechanically capable person, so when I had a few sub-basic questions, the owner was very responsive and helpful. I think I was up and running in under an hour after unboxing the gear. I've had the occasional hangup while running, but really, nothing would have been different than if I was still pulling the handle manually. One 9mm case somehow got on to the shell plate upside down from the case feeder. At the resize station, the decapping pin poked right through the primer, but when the die made contact with the case, the machine stopped and when it sensed a short stroke, halted. At that point, I took the case out of the priming station since it hadn't been swaged, and moved the rest back one position. The case that was in the crimp station did get pushed into the completed cartridge bin, but was easy enough to find and put back to the correct station to be completed. That's a lot of words in a big paragraph to talk about the details of one of the only stoppages I've had in my first 6K rounds of 9mm loaded in the last month. Also, at first I was a little nervous about the handle left on the machine and in full swing. I was put at ease quickly during my first session loading. I basically stand one step to the left of the machine watching the powder drop, to know for certain it's reaching full stroke, and watching to verify bullets are not dislodged between the dropper and rotating to the seating station. I've lost probably 5 or less bullets and because I was in place to see it, hit the hand-held stop button so I could hand place a bullet before the downstroke for seating was completed. I've run the machine at almost 2200 rounds per hour, which really tired my eyes. I typically run between 1600-1800, have no issues at that speed, and it's easy enough to stop if something looks "off". The second reason I was happy that the handle was still in place was this past week, when I decided to shoot limited for the first time in two years, but had no ammo loaded. Since I haven't received my Mr. BulletFeeder .40 conversion yet, I was able to pull the handle manually and load enough ammo for the match. It's also helpful to have for set up and tuning the powder drop before getting in to a full loading session. If anyone has questions on the AmmoBot, feel free to ask. I'm not even close to an expert on it, but have practical use and experience on it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm really enjoying my AmmoBot. I've not had it terribly long, but long enough to know I should have bought it sooner! Overall, it's incredibly simple to set up and operate. I'm far from a mechanically capable person, so when I had a few sub-basic questions, the owner was very responsive and helpful. I think I was up and running in under an hour after unboxing the gear. I've had the occasional hangup while running, but really, nothing would have been different than if I was still pulling the handle manually. One 9mm case somehow got on to the shell plate upside down from the case feeder. At the resize station, the decapping pin poked right through the primer, but when the die made contact with the case, the machine stopped and when it sensed a short stroke, halted. At that point, I took the case out of the priming station since it hadn't been swaged, and moved the rest back one position. The case that was in the crimp station did get pushed into the completed cartridge bin, but was easy enough to find and put back to the correct station to be completed. That's a lot of words in a big paragraph to talk about the details of one of the only stoppages I've had in my first 6K rounds of 9mm loaded in the last month. Also, at first I was a little nervous about the handle left on the machine and in full swing. I was put at ease quickly during my first session loading. I basically stand one step to the left of the machine watching the powder drop, to know for certain it's reaching full stroke, and watching to verify bullets are not dislodged between the dropper and rotating to the seating station. I've lost probably 5 or less bullets and because I was in place to see it, hit the hand-held stop button so I could hand place a bullet before the downstroke for seating was completed. I've run the machine at almost 2200 rounds per hour, which really tired my eyes. I typically run between 1600-1800, have no issues at that speed, and it's easy enough to stop if something looks "off". The second reason I was happy that the handle was still in place was this past week, when I decided to shoot limited for the first time in two years, but had no ammo loaded. Since I haven't received my Mr. BulletFeeder .40 conversion yet, I was able to pull the handle manually and load enough ammo for the match. It's also helpful to have for set up and tuning the powder drop before getting in to a full loading session. If anyone has questions on the AmmoBot, feel free to ask. I'm not even close to an expert on it, but have practical use and experience on it now. Can you see any situation where the Mark7 would be worth the extra $1500? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadyscott999 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm really enjoying my AmmoBot. I've not had it terribly long, but long enough to know I should have bought it sooner! Overall, it's incredibly simple to set up and operate. I'm far from a mechanically capable person, so when I had a few sub-basic questions, the owner was very responsive and helpful. I think I was up and running in under an hour after unboxing the gear. I've had the occasional hangup while running, but really, nothing would have been different than if I was still pulling the handle manually. One 9mm case somehow got on to the shell plate upside down from the case feeder. At the resize station, the decapping pin poked right through the primer, but when the die made contact with the case, the machine stopped and when it sensed a short stroke, halted. At that point, I took the case out of the priming station since it hadn't been swaged, and moved the rest back one position. The case that was in the crimp station did get pushed into the completed cartridge bin, but was easy enough to find and put back to the correct station to be completed. That's a lot of words in a big paragraph to talk about the details of one of the only stoppages I've had in my first 6K rounds of 9mm loaded in the last month. Also, at first I was a little nervous about the handle left on the machine and in full swing. I was put at ease quickly during my first session loading. I basically stand one step to the left of the machine watching the powder drop, to know for certain it's reaching full stroke, and watching to verify bullets are not dislodged between the dropper and rotating to the seating station. I've lost probably 5 or less bullets and because I was in place to see it, hit the hand-held stop button so I could hand place a bullet before the downstroke for seating was completed. I've run the machine at almost 2200 rounds per hour, which really tired my eyes. I typically run between 1600-1800, have no issues at that speed, and it's easy enough to stop if something looks "off". The second reason I was happy that the handle was still in place was this past week, when I decided to shoot limited for the first time in two years, but had no ammo loaded. Since I haven't received my Mr. BulletFeeder .40 conversion yet, I was able to pull the handle manually and load enough ammo for the match. It's also helpful to have for set up and tuning the powder drop before getting in to a full loading session. If anyone has questions on the AmmoBot, feel free to ask. I'm not even close to an expert on it, but have practical use and experience on it now. Can you see any situation where the Mark7 would be worth the extra $1500? My post from the Mk7 thread... Changing the speed of the shellplate index is worth the extra $1600 alone. I am loading super comp with 10.5 of 3n38. Manually I would have powder everywhere after 1k rounds. I loaded 4k last weekend and there were maybe 3 specs of powder on the shellplate and that was at 1800 rph. There are some decent auto drives on the market, there are none that offer the features of the Mk7. It's not even close IMO This is 1800 rounds per hour. 38 Supercomp with 10.5 VV 3n38 with a Precision Delta 124 JHP. I tried to show how full the case is and how little powder spillage. http://vid638.photob...zpswzvebbhr.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0kawn Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Can you see any situation where the Mark7 would be worth the extra $1500? I pondered this for quite a while. Initially, it was the Mark VII that got me considering automation when I saw it at the 2015 A6 match. I couldn't justify the dollar difference personally. As Scott says, changing the index speed is a big plus for so much powder going into the case. The current control box for the AmmoBot has two speed control knobs for infinite adjustability. The first is your toolhead speed, which truly doesn't matter how fast you go - that's to say, it won't harm a thing going Mach 2. The reverse knob, which controls the index speed of your shell plate, can be adjusted slower to guarantee your powder drops fully and no spillage occurs. I have the single-knob style, at 1400rph, it's very smooth, no spillage. When I load at ludicrous speed at about 2200rph, there's a couple flakes that'll spill, very negligible, but that's with minor power factor 9mm loads. If the case was as full as Scott's, it'd definitely drop some. For a small, small fee, Jason @ AmmoBot will trade out the controller for the new style, which I'll be taking him up on soon. With this being the case, I will control the shell index speed with a $50 investment, not $1600 With the dual knob control, I'll be speeding up the downstroke and slowing the upstroke, and from the videos I've seen expect I'll be running over 2000 rounds per hour, closer to 2200 rounds per hour, with zero spillage and more control of things. Here's a video showing 2200rph of .40s&w with the new controller: https://www.facebook.com/AmmoBotReloading/videos/1023818131013595/ When I run 1400-1800, my Extreme Spread has been as low as 5.5fps and as high as 12fps. I would say that's to be expected with most automation units on the market as the press runs so much smoother than by pulling the lever manually. The test rounds I loaded at 2200 rounds per hour had an ES of 15fps, which is still less than I was seeing when loading like a peasant without automation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWFAN Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Thanks Alex and Scott. I can't imagine a scenario where I load 38s/9 Major ammo, but never say never. My main use would be brass processing and .223/9mm loading. I would have to relocate my press because of the height requirements on the Ammobot, but it might be worth it to save $1600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0kawn Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I don't even load .45 currently, but AmmoBot's latest innovation is flippin' awesome! small primer/large primer sorting ability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ano Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 that is awesome!! on website the ejector isnt there though, only sensor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmorris Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 This is one I did over a year ago that detects and culls them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaskillo Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 After owning the Fortch rotary with VFD I have to say that Mark 7 is the way to go if $$$$ is not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostWorm Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 that is awesome!! on website the ejector isnt there though, only sensor? It's not for sale yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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