ohrich Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hello everyone, I've been shooting a clays load: 1.195 OAL 4.8 gr Clays 180 gr Zero JHP or MG JHP I'm running out of clays and I'm thinking of trying E3. What are most of you guys loading? Thanks for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 I have been using e3 almost exclusively and from my testing it take about 2 tenths more e3 to equal the velocity of Clays at a much lower pressure. My best guess would be 5 grains for an equal load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnurlingTurtle Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 180g plated RN CCI SPP 1.131 OAL Sig P229 5.0gn e3 PF= 172 5.2gn e3 PF= 179 That probably doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohrich Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 180g plated RN CCI SPP 1.131 OAL Sig P229 5.0gn e3 PF= 172 5.2gn e3 PF= 179 That probably doesn't help. Actually it does. I'm going to try loading from 5.0 -5.1 -5.2 - 5.3 and see how they chrono. More than anything I wanted to see where to start. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohrich Posted December 3, 2013 Author Share Posted December 3, 2013 I have been using e3 almost exclusively and from my testing it take about 2 tenths more e3 to equal the velocity of Clays at a much lower pressure. My best guess would be 5 grains for an equal load. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 (edited) 5.0-5.2 grains... WOW! ... that skeers me right there, honestly I would try 4.3-4.5 as a start. I load 4.5 e3 at 1.135 for FMJ. Do a search a bunch of us have been filling in the Alliant e3 load data black hole. Edited December 3, 2013 by frankge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 words of wisdom , load low and chrono your way up, E3 is a very fast powder , pressures will vary from gun to gun (you have not said what you shoot)….. Looking at your current clays load, it is pretty hot, am I to assume you have an Infinity or AET barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowenbuilt Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I'm afraid I will have to agree with the guys above. Even at 1.195 that would be a pretty warm load. I think I would start at 4.5 and work up. In some guns the velocity you get with e3 is surprising. 2/10ths is about perfect in my guns to equal the velocity and softness of Clays but your mileage may vary from mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohsevenflhx Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 (edited) I posted these on another thread.......... 180 Bayou, 3.7gr E3, @1.130 OAL, 918fps/165PF 180 Bayou, 3.9gr E3, @1.130 OAL, 946fps/170PF I usually use Solo 1000, but have been reading allot about Alliant E3, so I tried it. It seems to have the same feel as Solo 1k. There was little smoke. I haven't accuracy tested it yet at 25 yards, and 50 yards. Chrono work was done today at 24 degrees. Someone else had some chrono readings at various temps, and the E3 seems temperature stable. Edited December 4, 2013 by ohsevenflhx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnurlingTurtle Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 SUPER IMPORTANT NOTE: do not trust these numbers. Always.....ALWAYS do your own work ups with any new load. This includes load data published in loading books or directly from the powder manufacturers themselves. I'll share my E3 load work up for .40 s&w. 180g plated round nose CCI SPP OAL 1.131 Crimp .420 Sig P229 6200 ft outdoors in the Colorado San Juan's. Tested through digital prochrono at 10ft to front of chrono. 10 rounds each --------50f, sunny, light breeze 3.0gn e3 720fps avg PF 129 3.2gn e3 759fps avg PF 136 3.4gn e3 770fps avg PF 138 3.6gn e3 813fps avg PF 146 3.8gn e3 833fps avg PF 150 ------next day, clean barrel-----38f, cloudy, wet, no wind 4.0gn e3 867fps avg PF 156 4.2gn e3 890fps avg PF 160 4.4gn e3 906fps avg PF 163 4.6gn e3 923fps avg PF 166 4.8gn e3 945fps avg PF 170 5.0gn e3 958fps avg PF 172 5.2gn e3 996fps avg PF 179 All loads cycled with no issues. Brass and primer strikes looked normal. I stopped at 5.2gn since I'm not trying to do anything but find an accurate soft shooting load for general practice pinging steel from 10-50 ft. I use the 4.0gn load. The OP was asking about major so I just listed my two highest tests. DISCLAIMER: see the SUPER IMPORTANT NOTE at the top of this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohsevenflhx Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 My 180 Bayou bullet, E3 load was chrono'ed through a CZ Tactical Sport, with a 5.4 inch barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MstngLX50 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Got some e3, thought I'd add my numbers from today. .40 Major e3 data 180gr Bayou TCWin SPOAL 1.182Crimp .420 - .421 (mixed brass)5” Shuemann Ultimatch 60F 30.04inhg…sealevel 2 10 round strings for each charge weight, then averaged. SDs were great 7-10 typically with a 5 in the mix too. Rounded primer edges were starting to flatten at 4.44, no pressure signs otherwise. 3.82gr e3 – 910fps 163.8pf 3.98gr e3 – 930fps 167.4pf 4.14gr e3 – 952fps 171.4pf 4.32gr e3 – 968fps 174.2pf 4.44gr e3 – 987fps 177.7pf Weird charge weights are because I use the uniquetek micrometer to work up, I dial it in increments of .01 and record the weight it throws. 100 rounds at various charge weights isn't really much to go by but it seems cleanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 anyone with an infinity aet barrel? Temp 32 degrees(warmest we have had in weeks) 5" AET 1.200 oal 4.51 average magtech primers 12 rounds per string Berrys 180FP mixed brass to get a feel of it.........ave 909 ES 67 SD 19 Zero 180 FP Win brass ave 901 ES 34 SD 12 have some loaded with 4.6 and 4.7 to chrono next, as soon as I can get out again , what is working best for everyone with this powder, go a bit shorter or raising the quantity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harleytech Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 S&W 646 in 40 S&W, 4" barrel. 3.7 gr E3, 200 gr Bayou, Federal, Mixed Brass, OAL 1.162" 842 847 854 856 833 827 Av 843 ES 29 SD 11 168.6 PF 3.9 gr E3. 200 gr Bayou, Federal, Mixed Brass, OAL 1.162" 859 859 856 852 858 870 Av 859 ES 18 SD 6 171.8 PF\ 4.1 gr E3, 200 gr Bayou, Federal, Mixed Brass, OAL 1.162" 893 887 872 876 884 888 Av 883 ES 21 SD 7 176.6 PF Soft shooting and very clean. 3.9 gr load was the most accurate. OAT was 60 degrees, 80% humidity, partly cloudy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Good database we are building, looks like most are seeing success loading under the 1.200 length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2MoreChains Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 I got my hands on some e3 and worked up a load using 180 gr moly-coated FP (similar to Bayous). Shot out of a 6" STI 2011 at 34 deg F. Mixed brass, CCI SP, 1.175" OAL. 3.5 gr of e3: Ave 893 fps, 160 PF 3.7 gr of e3: Ave 948 fps, 170 PF 3.9 gr of e3: Ave 996 fps, 179 PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I chronoed some coated lead bullets today. 5" para P16. 200 grain 3.8 grain of E3 922fps 179.9 PF. Same charge, 180 grain bullet 927 fps 167PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) My Brazos must have a slow barrel because I have to load about .2 grains more than you guys to make major. 180 SnS Coated 4.1 e3 @ 1.185 gets me 165.2PF - im bumping to 4.2 for cushion 180 PD FMJ 4.6 e3 @ 1.185 gets me 166.6 PF and 4.7 is 170.3 My kids new STI needs much less to make PF, guess the Storm Lake bull barrel in my gun is slower Edited January 6, 2014 by frankge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastarget Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 AET barrel here with the same experience I have 4.2 SnS coated at 1.185 ready to chrono and Zero FP and HP at 4.7 1.19 ready to chrono. If the weather breaks at the end of the week. My sti barrel needs .2 less. loading long was short of PF and ES fluctuated wildly, this powder seems to work better with shorter oal. bmiller, what was your OAL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I needed 4.5 @ 1.135 for my G35 with PDs Edited January 6, 2014 by frankge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) AET barrel here with the same experience I have 4.2 SnS coated at 1.185 ready to chrono and Zero FP and HP at 4.7 1.19 ready to chrono. If the weather breaks at the end of the week. My sti barrel needs .2 less. loading long was short of PF and ES fluctuated wildly, this powder seems to work better with shorter oal. bmiller, what was your OAL? 1.180 oal on 200 grain 1.192 on the 180 grain. Pistol is an old Candian Para I bought here. Unknown round count, but still shoots great.This is the first .40 I have worked with, I am not an expert. Edited January 6, 2014 by bmiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 shooting great is great until you don't make chrono at a major match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmiller Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I will check again on another chrono. I was referring to accuracy. I guess that was a vague statement. Just getting started playing around with the powder and sharing my findings. Edited January 6, 2014 by bmiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MstngLX50 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 My Brazos must have a slow barrel because I have to load about .2 grains more than you guys to make major. My kids new STI needs much less to make PF, guess the Storm Lake bull barrel in my gun is slower My stock Edge barrel is about 30fps slower than my Schuemann. I was always amazed other peoples loads made major until I got the new pistol. It's kind of annoying since it's supposed to be a backup. Unless I load to 174pf in the primary it's too close to the line for the backup, though by the time I'm using the backup gun I guess I have bigger problems than chrono... I imagine both guns being primaries and needing to make pf is even more annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 with you there, I don't want separate loads for two guns, its a PIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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