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Hello

I just discover this site few minute ago…..Looks like there are lots of good and experience shooters here in this forum. Hoping someone here may able to share their experience with me.

I have been shooting for 4-5 years now, I am at the point i couldn’t find a way to improve my skill, I has tried different methods, different drills, switching from cadences to double tap back-and-forth, even tried to lose some weight hahah…….And still unable to find any big different. I have to say, there is not much of an improvement at all in the pass year or more.

No one locally could really point me to the right direction, some suggest taking courses from brand name shooters, but they don’t come along often. And I missed out the last one because of work………. Anyway I think you all get my point.

Here are some of my most recent video…..Please take a look and tell me what you see……………………..I think I could go faster but usually MIKE will come along, sometime it cost me the match. I know pushing harder is not the key.....something else are missing......

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Mike, it would help to know what level you are currently?

Are you a B or an A shooter?

As far as finding professional advice, depends on what

part of the country you're in - if you're in Florida,

we have some excellent instructors -

If you're shooting Mikes - you might try the Dot Torture

Drill - helped me, sometimes :rolleyes:

:cheers:

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Mike, it would help to know what level you are currently?

Are you a B or an A shooter?

As far as finding professional advice, depends on what

part of the country you're in - if you're in Florida,

we have some excellent instructors -

If you're shooting Mikes - you might try the Dot Torture

Drill - helped me, sometimes :rolleyes:

:cheers:

thanks for your reply. I am a GM in vancouver B.C canada. our level of skill is not really comparable with the state . i would say i am a high A low M when i shoot in the state . could u spot anything out from the video ? i know the high level guys could spot things out. and yes i tried many different drills, is dont seem to really have any effect on my shooting .

mike

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You stop and start too much, you have an open gun with a dot, you should be shooting on the move more. You also come crashing into positions, stop, then get your hand back on grip. If you got your grip going sooner you could start shooting as soon as you get into position. You also seem to shoot close targets firsts and then transitions to farther shoots. On those last couple of stages on second link, you could get into position start on farther ones first, and shoot the closer ones as you start to step back out of position. If your missing shots, make sure your follow through on last shot. hard to tell but it looked like your already looking away at last target and moving on, just pulling target for a quick double. And last but not least, buy a big stick, quit reloading so much. Ok, I know you can't have those in Canada, just joshing you. :rolleyes:

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You stop and start too much, you have an open gun with a dot, you should be shooting on the move more. You also come crashing into positions, stop, then get your hand back on grip. If you got your grip going sooner you could start shooting as soon as you get into position. You also seem to shoot close targets firsts and then transitions to farther shoots. On those last couple of stages on second link, you could get into position start on farther ones first, and shoot the closer ones as you start to step back out of position. If your missing shots, make sure your follow through on last shot. hard to tell but it looked like your already looking away at last target and moving on, just pulling target for a quick double. And last but not least, buy a big stick, quit reloading so much. Ok, I know you can't have those in Canada, just joshing you. :rolleyes:

haha, yes we can only have 10 rounds mag, what a stupid law...., sometime we have to change 5 mag in one stage...hahaha. i do have two big stick when I shoot down in the state.

You are spot on, I am working very hard on start shooting right away as soon as I get in the position, I seem to be not as quick comparing with the top shooters. (any drills for that?)

Yes again……………I do like to shoot the closer target 1st when I get in to a position (ofcause that depending on the stage) I find myself easier to start shooting right away when get into the position with closer target, like what you already spot it in my video, if I leaving the position on a closer target backing away, I don't follow through as much and sometime I take a C or D on a close target, If I shoot the far target last I find myself follow through much more and has better hits. I had try different experiments, for times is more like the same, but hit is better for me if I go with the closer target 1st. Do you think I should ALWAYS start from far target and shoot the closer one last?????

And this is exactly what I need to hear,

Mike

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Second video, first stage:

On the first two arrays of targets, you shoot outside in (the easy target to hardest target).

Shoot the hardest target first then work outward - that way you can be moving to the next position as you shoot the last targets of those arrays.

Just my $0.02. Ryan

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Second video, first stage:

On the first two arrays of targets, you shoot outside in (the easy target to hardest target).

Shoot the hardest target first then work outward - that way you can be moving to the next position as you shoot the last targets of those arrays.

Just my $0.02. Ryan

I agreed with you point, but that particular stage wouldn't make a different, all 3 target was close enough to hammer it. But most of the time I do intend go for the easy or closer target 1st....which is something I should start pay more attention to…………..Thanks Ryan see anything else???

Mike

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I agree with the comments above.

Your shooting seem solid and fast.

But I think your inability to shoot high cap is impearing you from developing your ability to tie a stage togather.

When you have to reload more than once in a stage it is eazy to get in the habit of shooting from one position, run reload, stop and the next position shoot.

We usually excuse it by saying to our selfs that we have to reload anyway.

But if you compeat in a highcap divisio, spot shooting just doesn't win the match.

I notice you mention shooting as soon as you get in position, try removing the idea of a shooting position from your mind. Simply find the closest A zone with your eyes and shoot it.

Start engaging the target as soon as its in your field of view. Shoot I'm the order in which they reveal them selfs to you, no ,after the distance..

Try and remove all hesitation from your game, move on as soon as you see the shot brake.

Your shooting is there brother, you need to develop the high cap mentality and breaks down strategy :)

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I agree with the comments above.

Your shooting seem solid and fast.

But I think your inability to shoot high cap is impearing you from developing your ability to tie a stage togather.

When you have to reload more than once in a stage it is eazy to get in the habit of shooting from one position, run reload, stop and the next position shoot.

We usually excuse it by saying to our selfs that we have to reload anyway.

But if you compeat in a highcap divisio, spot shooting just doesn't win the match.

I notice you mention shooting as soon as you get in position, try removing the idea of a shooting position from your mind. Simply find the closest A zone with your eyes and shoot it.

Start engaging the target as soon as its in your field of view. Shoot I'm the order in which they reveal them selfs to you, no ,after the distance..

Try and remove all hesitation from your game, move on as soon as you see the shot brake.

Your shooting is there brother, you need to develop the high cap mentality and breaks down strategy :)

Carlos

You have a very good eyes, and could able to break it down why I am developing some of these bad habit………very impressive…………. Your comments made me think of something new…….a different way to breaks down a stage could be something new to start. I will try different mind set…. Very Nice…Thanks so much

I do notice shooting High cap I could shoot smoother. And Shooting High gap is so much fun…….one of my unforgettable Match was happening 2 years ago shooting down in WA……… 55 – 60 Rounds stages……………6 Stages………………hahaha my finger was tired at the end of each stages……..

Tell me more of what you see here……………….It was 2 years ago, I improvement no more than 3-5%…..you will see why I said I am stuck.

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What is your current practice schedule?

What is your self-image?

What are thinking about at LAMR?

Plateaus are crushed in training, but only if the self-image gets invited to come along.

I practice once every 2 weeks, also shoot 1 - 2 matchs per month

self image.................don't really have one.........Or i should ask what is self image?

LAMR??????? don't understand this one either (you do notice I am asian right hahaha)

mike

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Once every two weeks?

Are you kidding?

That's not a practice schedule, that's a vacation.

If you really want to get better, you need to be dry firing every day and get to the range for live fire AT LEAST once a week.

Check out andersonshooting on facebook for a recent article on self-image...

Once every two weeks? That might actually ruin my day.

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Steve hit one big nail on the head, my question would be: Why (How) are you losing? If you don't understand that then you can't fix it.

Matt

I think winning or losing the match wouldn't be a big deal for me anymore. Sometime I don't mind to lost the match but have a very clean great shoot that I know I shot it well……..I won the last 7 matches I shot in the past 6 months, some is Level 3 matches. So winning or losing is not affecting my performance. But knowing I am not getting any better worries me. And I know the fact is there is still a lot of stuff I don’t know about, or different way of look at things. I already got couple good tips here. I just don’t know what I should be working on…….! I think maybe some of the great shooter gone through what I am experiencing now are able to tell me more…….

Mike

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Once every two weeks?

Are you kidding?

That's not a practice schedule, that's a vacation.

If you really want to get better, you need to be dry firing every day and get to the range for live fire AT LEAST once a week.

Check out andersonshooting on facebook for a recent article on self-image...

Once every two weeks? That might actually ruin my day.

Once every two weeks?

Are you kidding?

That's not a practice schedule, that's a vacation.

If you really want to get better, you need to be dry firing every day and get to the range for live fire AT LEAST once a week.

Check out andersonshooting on facebook for a recent article on self-image...

Once every two weeks? That might actually ruin my day.

steve

dry fire would not help my game anymore. I use to do a lot of it...but not dry fire is not the key....and go to the range once or twice aweek + 1 or 2 matches a month is the best I can do. unless I don't have to work........

Mike

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Steve hit one big nail on the head, my question would be: Why (How) are you losing? If you don't understand that then you can't fix it.

Matt

I think winning or losing the match wouldn't be a big deal for me anymore. Sometime I don't mind to lost the match but have a very clean great shoot that I know I shot it well……..I won the last 7 matches I shot in the past 6 months, some is Level 3 matches. So winning or losing is not affecting my performance. But knowing I am not getting any better worries me. And I know the fact is there is still a lot of stuff I don’t know about, or different way of look at things. I already got couple good tips here. I just don’t know what I should be working on…….! I think maybe some of the great shooter gone through what I am experiencing now are able to tell me more…….

Mike

My point was that if you're having trouble determining what your weak points are, then you should look at the matches you didn't win and figure out what the winner was doing that you weren't. If you're winning all the matches you enter then just keep doing what you're doing, you're the best in the world!

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Steve hit one big nail on the head, my question would be: Why (How) are you losing? If you don't understand that then you can't fix it.

Matt

I think winning or losing the match wouldn't be a big deal for me anymore. Sometime I don't mind to lost the match but have a very clean great shoot that I know I shot it well……..I won the last 7 matches I shot in the past 6 months, some is Level 3 matches. So winning or losing is not affecting my performance. But knowing I am not getting any better worries me. And I know the fact is there is still a lot of stuff I don’t know about, or different way of look at things. I already got couple good tips here. I just don’t know what I should be working on…….! I think maybe some of the great shooter gone through what I am experiencing now are able to tell me more…….

Mike

My point was that if you're having trouble determining what your weak points are, then you should look at the matches you didn't win and figure out what the winner was doing that you weren't. If you're winning all the matches you enter then just keep doing what you're doing, you're the best in the world!

Matt

1st of all, I don’t think I am the best in the world, other wise I won’t be posting here for help, I would be giving advise to other like you did. I can run faster than everyone in my street didn’t make me the fastest man in the world.

I know a lot of shooters may be satisfy by winning the locate matches, and think they are the best. And just keep doing what they are doing. That is exactly what I don’t want. I believe there are always room for improvement. Just need to find it. I am sure Eric Grauffel are still looking in to ways to improve himself. Noting wrong with I am asking here.

What you are pointing out is not helping, not all the area has great shooters to watch, I already watch a lot of videos.

I watch yours too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udsw0qPyT6A&NR=1&feature=endscreen

Mike

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I'm not sure what you're going for there. I'm just saying that if you're shooting level 3 matches and winning them then likely you don't have any particular weak points, just keep practicing. More to the point, if you're at that level then whatever problems you have are too subtle to come through on hat cam or video, which is why I recommended examining your performance vs. the match winner when you didn't win the match. Thanks for the video though, I haven't watched my first year of shooting revolver in a while! It took me forever to reload back then.

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I'm not sure what you're going for there. I'm just saying that if you're shooting level 3 matches and winning them then likely you don't have any particular weak points, just keep practicing. More to the point, if you're at that level then whatever problems you have are too subtle to come through on hat cam or video, which is why I recommended examining your performance vs. the match winner when you didn't win the match. Thanks for the video though, I haven't watched my first year of shooting revolver in a while! It took me forever to reload back then.

Matt

Maybe I misunderstand your comment, When you said (you are the best in the world) I assume you were being sarcastic.

I truly believe there are much more stuff I dont know about in the sport. Just try to get some info here. Some of the stuff is good some are not. I know dry fire at home is not what i need, But I am open to suggestions, I am genuinely asking for help.

Mike

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If you're not improving, then you're not pushing yourself enough.

If you don't believe dry fire will help then you're absolutely right.

If I were you, I would be dry firing short drills on the move to get better at always moving during a stage. Or, go to the range more and do the same thing there.

But that probably won't help, right?

:)

Sorry for any snarkiness but I don't play well with negativity.

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