blkbrd Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 After inquiring with John P about these he stated they would be out in about 3 weeks. Just after RM3G. Has anyone seen a prototype? Photo? Did he take a tactical stainless and lighten it or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 I haven't seen JP's, but I did see a really sweet one from MSTN at the Nationals. Very cool and very light. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERIC Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 I wonder about the need for a light weight carrier. A M16 can shoot 650 rounds per minute on full auto. That's over 10 rounds per second and that's with a heavier M16 carrier. Most of us can't shoot a semi that fast but I'm sure a standard weigh carrier can keep up with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 ERIC, It's not about making the gun cycle faster, it's about reducing recoil and muzzle flip. If the carrier weighs less, it will slam into the stock tube easier as the inertial forces are less (also reducing, "felt" recoil). An added plus is the cycle rate going up, but I don't believe that it is the driving factor for a lightened carrier. I'm still playing the JP aluminum carrier and it is pretty DAMN sweet. However, I'm considering going back to steel, and if so, it'll be to either the skeletonized MSTN or JP's (whenever I get to see one first though). I could be wrong, but that's my two Lincoln's. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacMan Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hmmm...John (JP) will be at the RM3G match, I'm pretty sure he would bring the new carrier to promote. One more reason to come to this match guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulk Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 Newbie questions: Will the lightweight carrier work with carbine length gas-system and short receiver extension? Will it need larger volume gastube, like pigtail or fatboy style? Is the buffer not easier to lighten with the same result? ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 You will lighten the buffer tube spring in order for the system to work (among other things if you're using a JP). As for on a carbine length rifle, the best answer I can give is I think so. Best results are found on JP's website as well as talking to either John or Tim at the shop. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERIC Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 Oops. I guess I am wrong. I just checked JP's website and it's purpose is to reduce the recoil. I would be curious to try one if it really works. I already have a Miculek comp on a 20" and I though that setup had almost no felt recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted August 10, 2004 Share Posted August 10, 2004 In my CTR-02, switching from the aluminum LW bolt carrier to JP's normal stainless carrier increases recoil and gun movement noticably. -z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I've shot a couple of rifles with the lightweight carriers and the difference is very noticeable. If I were building a race rifle, I'd definitely consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerSniper158 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I`ve been having trouble with my CTR-02 running lately. It looks like its short stroking but its actually cycling faster then the mag can keep up. I was shooting with Taran when it choked and went bolt action on me at Area 5. He let me check out the rifle Paul at MSTN built for him. Man was it nice, it pointed and balanced very nice. He put me in contact with him and I talked to him for about an hour discussing what my rifle is doing ( I ordered an upper from him.. ). It appears that the alum bolt cycles faster than the magazine can feed the rounds up, Its just too light. After a call to JP.. I told them what the rifle is doing, I got the same answer.. put a stainless bolt in it and go with the lightened one when its available. So.. I ordered a stainless one and put it in.. shot a tune up match last weekend and it ran fine.. 100% with no malfunctions at all. Hopefully it works at DPMS. CS#158 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmercury2 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 IVE been using the JP stainless carriers in three of my uppers,2-20s and a16 and have had no malfunctions in several thousand rounds. plus the inside of the carrier where the bolt rides stays way cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidwiz Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I ordered JP's stainless steel carrier and am expecting it to arrive anyday. On JP's web site, it says that the alloy carrier is for people who are obssessed with cleaning their rifles: The LMOStm requires more attention and maintenance than our stainless full mass carrier and requires ammo that is precisely within dimensional specifications delivering port pressure within the operational window of the system. If you are not the type that is willing to put up with the higher maintenance requirements or not meticulous about your reloading, this system is not for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Smith Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 If a standard (or JP's SS) carrier is a Honda, the LW alum carrier is a Ferrari. It can work, but it needs proper lube and good mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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