Shawneeboy87 Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Worked with a shooting buddy of mine to replace the extractor spring on my CTS with the "extra power" spring. I was having extractor issues with the factory spring. After firing a round the extractor would scrape off the brass and leave it in the chamber. Its weird because it happens only after firing the first round and it's not specific to one type of brass. It's clearly grabbing the brass because it leaves a nice little mark on the brass where it went to grab. We inspected the extractor and it looked fine -- the spring was a b**tch to get in. Not a lot of give. Has any one done this replacement before? Did it need to be trimmed when you made the change? Was the issue corrected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 see if it will feed dummy rounds when you drop the slide on a loaded mag. sometimes it binds so tightly it can't go into battery. also, check the angle of the extractor claw and make sure it's parallel or better. make sure it doesn't have an angle on it that allows it to slip. on SP-01s a couple times i've had to trim it ever so slightly to allow enough give to allow the claw to get around a rim and let the slide go into battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asimonp79 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 hi I had a problem to fit in the power-extractor spring too. The reason was also failure to extract ( it happened with full mag/partial full mag) I had to squieze it in real hard, place a punch and only then could I close in the pin on the hole of the extractor... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/extracto5e.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/135/extractor1.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/extractor2.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/696/extractor3.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/extractor4.jpg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMan72 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I had problems with the heavy spring not allowing the round to slide up when it cycles. Forcing me to have to hit back of slide after a lot of shots.....spring that came in TS would not extract......i put another factor spring in and walla. Works great now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawneeboy87 Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 Offshore -- I'm having the same EXACT problem. Maybe the factory springs wear out after a while -- I'm going to order another one tonight, see if that fixes it. I'm also going to try cutting a rung off the extra power spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMan72 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) I had to go with another reg spring....the heavy was an embarrassment......lol....had to go to backup gun in a match..... From the match I called CZCustom and ordered every spring for the gun.....i changed out recoil springs and extractor combinations until i found one that worked every time.....once i did i loaded 6 mags and let it rip as fast as i could and made sure nothing hiccuped.... I used it in a match 2 days later and not one malfunction..... It was one frustrating 2 weeks for me...... Almost forgot....I am using 13# Recoil with Factory Extractor spring.....I am shooting Atlanta .40 Major Ammo..... Edited April 12, 2012 by OffshoreMan72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawneeboy87 Posted April 12, 2012 Author Share Posted April 12, 2012 Hahaha I feel your pain this gun has run flawlessly since I got it and this has been a nightmare. Thanks for the feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMan72 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 No problem...I would massage it before every match and light candles and pray before every match.....It wasn't working so I got mad and changed it all.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 It has been a while but if I remember correctly I trimmed my extra power extractor spring by 1 - 1 1/2 coils and it ran great from day one. You might call Rob at CZC to confirm or deny this rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 you have to treat it different for every gun when dealing with extra power extractor springs. one of my guns used it whole, another needed a 1/2 coil cut off, another took a full coil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawneeboy87 Posted April 16, 2012 Author Share Posted April 16, 2012 (edited) Finally got the baby running! I trimmed a coil and a half off the extra power extractor spring from CZC. I left the 14# recoil spring in the gun. I did a few Bill Drills and ran some mock stages and there were no feeding issues or failures to extract. We'll see what happens at the next match. Thanks for everyones feedback!! Edited April 16, 2012 by Shawneeboy87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Finally got the baby running! I trimmed a coil and a half off the extra power extractor spring from CZC. I left the 14# recoil spring in the gun. I did a few Bill Drills and ran some mock stages and there were no feeding issues or failures to extract. We'll see what happens at the next match. Thanks for everyones feedback!! Do you have any idea how many rounds you had through the gun when the issues showed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawneeboy87 Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 Yeah it was right when I hit 2500 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Good...something to look forward to. I'm about right there with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMan72 Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 Seems like mine was about 2500 as well.....Latest report is that my 2nd factory spring needs replaced again....lol.....May try to do the cutting on heavy spring....Or change extractor........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoleroJesse Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 When I had my Shadow, the same issue with the extractor/extractor spring showed up at around 5000 rounds I didn't persevere, and now I shoot a Gen4 G17. Some days (35 yard targets, bill drills) I really miss my Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningsquirrels Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 i'll give you $20 for that pile of crap shadow you gave up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoleroJesse Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 i'll give you $20 for that pile of crap shadow you gave up on. It went for $1150 on GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeZer Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What Neomet said - extra power springs are too long, it should be about 10mm long after it's trimmed (1-1.5 coils). Here is my 'how to': Click Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What Neomet said - extra power springs are too long, it should be about 10mm long after it's trimmed (1-1.5 coils). Here is my 'how to': Click Here Nice instructions CeeZer. The only thing I would add is when I have had trouble getting the extractor to line up as you drive the pin back in use your punch through the top of the slide as a slave pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeZer Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) First - thank you for the comment/complement. Then: Insert extractor with claw positioned thru and inside ejection port. Press on extractor with thumb to put it in place against slide, then press on its claw pushing it toward rear of the slide. That is there for a reason. I'd tried to not put unnecessary single word in the doc. Edited May 28, 2012 by CeeZer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Nice document CeeZer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neomet Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Yup, with the xtra power though I wasn't able to get the spring compressed enough so used the punch as a slave pin. I forget I have bad nerve damage in my hands so not much strength there at all. Others probably won't have the issue. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeZer Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) One more thing, if anyone is looking for TOOLS (the ones I got are pretty much lifetime investment.. ha ha), here it comes: check out post #7 by... humble me. Also, remember - USPSA gets some $$ if you order stuff off Amazon - at NO EXTRA COST TO YOU!!! Click Here Keep your fingers off the trigger too ... we shoot at 'stop sign' targets in Canada... LOL... Edited May 28, 2012 by CeeZer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OffshoreMan72 Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Good directions CeeZer!! I used the dermal and the abrasive pad to buff it. The finger nail sander looks like a good idea.....Have to get in my wife's bag...... link I have found these pads to be good for a lot of things. I buffed ALL of my internals with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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