OpenDot Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 That throws more gas with a 124 gr MG JHP? I searched and didn't find anything other than discontinued HS-7 I'm using 7.4 gr AC now pushing 1400 fps - 173PF to get all the gas I can. I'd like to lower the FPS to 1350 and get more gas out of the comp with a slower burn. Or am I not getting the bigger picture somewhere.. Any advise? Merge if needed Mods Thanks Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carharttfarmer Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Tip: click inside this box to load the editor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carharttfarmer Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i use 7grn of longshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 i use 7grn of longshot Are you getting more gas than AC behind a 124gr? What was your FPS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncboiler Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Have you tried HS-6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 HS-6 is an awesome 9mm major powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carharttfarmer Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 i use 7grn of longshot Are you getting more gas than AC behind a 124gr? What was your FPS? its all i have ever used 1370fps average out of a glock 34 open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The quest for the magic, however the rules require that you only look where I tell you to look. Ok I'll ignore the rules, first step HS6, then there are two more worthy of tiral 3n38 (outside the rules) and AA#7 (also forbidden). Is HS6 very different from AC, well yes an no, it dirty but still cheap, and it puts a little more slap in the palm but less flip. But actually they are not that far apart and your preference might be a suprise. AA#7 and 3N38 will both require an extended OAL and both push a lot of gas, AA#7 is cheap and chunky dirty but gasses like N105, and 3N38 is expensive and hard to get, thows a nice flame. I shoot Silhouette it is very similar to AC and TruBlue in feel, speed gas etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) The quest for the magic, however the rules require that you only look where I tell you to look. Ok I'll ignore the rules, first step HS6, then there are two more worthy of tiral 3n38 (outside the rules) and AA#7 (also forbidden). Is HS6 very different from AC, well yes an no, it dirty but still cheap, and it puts a little more slap in the palm but less flip. But actually they are not that far apart and your preference might be a suprise. AA#7 and 3N38 will both require an extended OAL and both push a lot of gas, AA#7 is cheap and chunky dirty but gasses like N105, and 3N38 is expensive and hard to get, thows a nice flame. I shoot Silhouette it is very similar to AC and TruBlue in feel, speed gas etc. Thanks Ron!! I can take my OAL to 1.180...anything past that is no good and it won't feed right. I run 1.170 now and the bullet doesn't even touch the autocomp at all. What is a good HS-6 Load, i'd like to give the stuff a try. Edited June 30, 2011 by OpenDot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatland Shooter Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 HS-6 and VV N-350 run identically in my gun. Can't tell the difference when shooting either powder at just over 170 PF. I'll use HS-6 whenever I feel like cleaning my gun. Use N-350 when I don't. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 @ Flatland HS-6 VS AC... which produces more gas at the same PF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro2AInPA Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) The quest for the magic, however the rules require that you only look where I tell you to look. Ok I'll ignore the rules, first step HS6, then there are two more worthy of tiral 3n38 (outside the rules) and AA#7 (also forbidden). Is HS6 very different from AC, well yes an no, it dirty but still cheap, and it puts a little more slap in the palm but less flip. But actually they are not that far apart and your preference might be a suprise. AA#7 and 3N38 will both require an extended OAL and both push a lot of gas, AA#7 is cheap and chunky dirty but gasses like N105, and 3N38 is expensive and hard to get, thows a nice flame. I shoot Silhouette it is very similar to AC and TruBlue in feel, speed gas etc. Thanks Ron!! I can take my OAL to 1.180...anything past that is no good and it won't feed right. I run 1.170 now and the bullet doesn't even touch the autocomp at all. What is a good HS-6 Load, i'd like to give the stuff a try. 8.3gr of HS-6 with a 124gr MG CMJ at 1.170" with a small rifle primer got me 173pf at two major matches this year out of a 5" gun with no popple holes. I tried Autocomp as well. HS-6 shot a lot flatter in my gun. Edited July 1, 2011 by Pro2AInPA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 The quest for the magic, however the rules require that you only look where I tell you to look. Ok I'll ignore the rules, first step HS6, then there are two more worthy of tiral 3n38 (outside the rules) and AA#7 (also forbidden). Is HS6 very different from AC, well yes an no, it dirty but still cheap, and it puts a little more slap in the palm but less flip. But actually they are not that far apart and your preference might be a suprise. AA#7 and 3N38 will both require an extended OAL and both push a lot of gas, AA#7 is cheap and chunky dirty but gasses like N105, and 3N38 is expensive and hard to get, thows a nice flame. I shoot Silhouette it is very similar to AC and TruBlue in feel, speed gas etc. Thanks Ron!! I can take my OAL to 1.180...anything past that is no good and it won't feed right. I run 1.170 now and the bullet doesn't even touch the autocomp at all. What is a good HS-6 Load, i'd like to give the stuff a try. 8.3gr of HS-6 with a 124gr MG CMJ at 1.170" with a small rifle primer got me 173pf at two major matches this year out of a 5" gun with no popple holes. I tried Autocomp as well. HS-6 shot a lot flatter in my gun. Perfect thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CocoBolo Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 (edited) The quest for the magic, however the rules require that you only look where I tell you to look. Ok I'll ignore the rules, first step HS6, then there are two more worthy of tiral 3n38 (outside the rules) and AA#7 (also forbidden). Is HS6 very different from AC, well yes an no, it dirty but still cheap, and it puts a little more slap in the palm but less flip. But actually they are not that far apart and your preference might be a suprise. AA#7 and 3N38 will both require an extended OAL and both push a lot of gas, AA#7 is cheap and chunky dirty but gasses like N105, and 3N38 is expensive and hard to get, thows a nice flame. I shoot Silhouette it is very similar to AC and TruBlue in feel, speed gas etc. Thanks Ron!! I can take my OAL to 1.180...anything past that is no good and it won't feed right. I run 1.170 now and the bullet doesn't even touch the autocomp at all. What is a good HS-6 Load, i'd like to give the stuff a try. With 124gr you start at 8gr HS6 and then work it up to the pf you want, I run mine at 1.165 MTG CMJ RN. With AA#7 I shot 10gr 124gr RN set at 1.180. AA#7 will sort of decided your OAL for you, I couldn't get them any shorter than 1.180. You have a very full case with AA#7 and 3N38. If your gun has Acc-u-rail #7 is chunky dirty and it may very well stop the gun from running, should be about 175pf in a full size gun 172 in my shorty.. Like Pro2AinPa says HS6 puts up more gas than AC which makes it flatter but it also puts a little more slap in the palm. Its all about which one you like better. Edited July 1, 2011 by CocoBolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 The quest for the magic, however the rules require that you only look where I tell you to look. Ok I'll ignore the rules, first step HS6, then there are two more worthy of tiral 3n38 (outside the rules) and AA#7 (also forbidden). Is HS6 very different from AC, well yes an no, it dirty but still cheap, and it puts a little more slap in the palm but less flip. But actually they are not that far apart and your preference might be a suprise. AA#7 and 3N38 will both require an extended OAL and both push a lot of gas, AA#7 is cheap and chunky dirty but gasses like N105, and 3N38 is expensive and hard to get, thows a nice flame. I shoot Silhouette it is very similar to AC and TruBlue in feel, speed gas etc. Thanks Ron!! I can take my OAL to 1.180...anything past that is no good and it won't feed right. I run 1.170 now and the bullet doesn't even touch the autocomp at all. What is a good HS-6 Load, i'd like to give the stuff a try. With 124gr you start at 8gr HS6 and then work it up to the pf you want, I run mine at 1.165 MTG CMJ RN. With AA#7 I shot 10gr 124gr RN set at 1.180. AA#7 will sort of decided your OAL for you, I couldn't get them any shorter than 1.180. You have a very full case with AA#7 and 3N38. If your gun has Acc-u-rail #7 is chunky dirty and it may very well stop the gun from running, should be about 175pf in a full size gun 172 in my shorty.. Like Pro2AinPa says HS6 puts up more gas than AC which makes it flatter but it also puts a little more slap in the palm. Its all about which one you like better. Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated!!!! I'm gonna give HS6 a try when I get some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 IIRC, HS6 is the same as WW540. WW540 is a great powder except it had a bad reputation for eroding comps. The VV powders did not have such problems. They are also cleaner as Flatland Shooter pointed out. I would suggest VV N350. Lots of gas, easy to get to velocity with 124gr bullets and no pressure signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aircooled6racer Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Hello: If you run the power factor up a little to 171-173 with HS-6 it is not that dirty at all. It is about the same as Silhouette but not as clean as 3N37. I run a 115 grain bullet so that may help also. I am going to try Auto Comp after I order it next week. Try HS-6 I think you will like it. Thanks, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzYooper Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Randy, I have some VV350 you can try. I tried it in my 38sc and did not like it as much as the 3N38. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenDot Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 Randy, I have some VV350 you can try. I tried it in my 38sc and did not like it as much as the 3N38. Joe Thanks Joe!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-Bros_JLR Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I ran some HS6 through a Glock Open gun doing some testing and had pretty good luck. I ran 7.5-8g behind a 124 MG CMJ at 1.14ish and was around 1350 if I recall correctly. I really didn't think it was that dirty and shot pretty nice at the upper charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannu Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 If you wanna get gas... IMHO AA #7 is the King of the hill. 1.17" is all length you need with AA #7 I see no reason why you wopuld have to load it longer. Actually, 3N38 and N105 take much more room than AA #7 with the same PF even AA #7 powder charge is 20% bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Try 4756. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcs Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Try 4756. Won't make major in 9 Major loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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