jmoney Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) In the search for an accurate load for my g27 I am thinking about trying a new load and just wanted to comments from some of y'all on here I am thinking of trying the following Using a dill on 550b dill on dies with egw resize 180 MG CMJ 4.1 loading up to 4.6 with titegrp OAL 1.135 Any thoughts? Am I even going to have to worry about pressure signs at these levels? Or does anyone have a better more accurate but load using MG rounds in 180 grn? I'm looking for accuracy and a little less recoil than normal factory 180 gr rounds Edited May 3, 2011 by jmoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggdawg Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I have tried titegroup and like it there is less recoil i think here is some chrono data i have. mixed cases 180 fmj hornady bullets wsp primers 45-50 deg day 4.7 tite 180 1) 967.7 2) 983 3) 985.9 4) 988.5 5) 986.6 6) 990.7 7) 970.4 8) 979.8 High: 990.7 Low: 967.7 E.S.: 23 Ave.: 981.6 S.D.: 7.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postal Bob Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Certainly loading at the bottom end of powder range will give you light recoiling loads, and you won't have to worry about pressures then. Unless you are trying to meet minor or major power factors, no need to even approach max powder loads. Stick to the low to mid range and you'll be fine. See which powder charge will cycle your gun reliably, and and is accurate for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Smith Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 That load appears right out of the book. Make sure the OAL is good and load away. If you're looking for a lighter recoiling load and you aren't concerned with powerfactor consider Clays. With 180 grain bullets somewhere around 3.0 grains works well depending on your gun. Don't stray very far north of that as pressure runs up very quickly with that powder. I started at 2.8 and ended up at 3.1 grains. In a Glock 35 it feels like shooting a .22, almost laughed shooting the first magazine through the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) What oak are you guys using. My manual seems hooked on 1.125 but my friend recommended i use 1.135 with titegrp Edited May 3, 2011 by jmoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postal Bob Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 The longer oal gives you more safety against reaching max pressure if you're loading near max charge. But if you stay at the low to middle charge weights, go with what oal works best in your gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz-0 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 4.3-4.5gn of titegroup at 1.130 nominal OAL under a 180gr bullet should make around 170pf in a 5" barrel in my experience. 4.3 got me there with plated, and 4.5 with montana gold FMJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) im shooting out of g27, so shorter barrel just out of curiosity does anyone use 800x at a 1.115 OAL for a 180gr round like it is suggested in lyman's to be the most accurate? Edited May 3, 2011 by jmoney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggdawg Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 im shooting out of g27, so shorter barrel just out of curiosity does anyone use 800x at a 1.115 OAL for a 180gr round like it is suggested in lyman's to be the most accurate? I am loading up some 165's tonight with 800x i ran out of the 180's. was going to load them to 1.12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 im shooting out of g27, so shorter barrel just out of curiosity does anyone use 800x at a 1.115 OAL for a 180gr round like it is suggested in lyman's to be the most accurate? I am loading up some 165's tonight with 800x i ran out of the 180's. was going to load them to 1.12 what are you shooting them out of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 would it be a bad idea to load up grps of 4.0 to 4.6 at 1.135, and then do the same for 1.130 and 1.125, which is the suggestion on the titegrp can, and in my loading manual? for the 800x I am assuming that I would go start and 5.9 and head to 7.3, and do the same starting with oal of 1.115 and heading up to 1.125? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggdawg Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) im shooting out of g27, so shorter barrel just out of curiosity does anyone use 800x at a 1.115 OAL for a 180gr round like it is suggested in lyman's to be the most accurate? I am loading up some 165's tonight with 800x i ran out of the 180's. was going to load them to 1.12 what are you shooting them out of? i shoot an xdm 40 with 4.5 barrel been shooting the 165 with 6.6 of power pistol and they have been working good. but i had some 800x and thought i would try some of those. eta chrono results 6.6 power pistol 165 1) 1053 16.1 2) 1022 -14.9 3) 1022 -14.9 4) 1038 1.1 5) 1041 4.1 6) 1027 -9.9 7) 1050 13.1 8) 1028 -8.9 9) 1045 8.1 10) 1043 6.1 High: 1053 Low: 1022 E.S.: 31 Ave.: 1036.9 S.D.: 10.8 Edited May 3, 2011 by biggdawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 thanks for that data is there any detriment to changing the oal for each load like i said above? Once I find a load I'm happy with I don't plan on changing it for a long long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggdawg Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 thanks for that data is there any detriment to changing the oal for each load like i said above? Once I find a load I'm happy with I don't plan on changing it for a long long time. shorter oal will affect pressure making it higher and longer oal will reduce pressure. pick an oal that feeds good and stick with it then develope your load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 4, 2011 Author Share Posted May 4, 2011 so if the 1.135 works fine with the titegrp, it would be ok to run that oal with 800x and power pistol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 8, 2011 Author Share Posted May 8, 2011 One last check before I run these things through, is a .420 crimp ok? and even if the brass appears fine is it good practice to go ahead and leave the brass at the range after 5-6 reloads? After reading everything here, I am only planning on running from 3.5-3.8 with titegroup, I have no desire to be shooting major loads out of my g27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 loaded them up 3.4-3.8 1.135 OAL, hopefully I did everything right wont get a chance to test them out until next weekend sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJayJay Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 That load appears right out of the book. Make sure the OAL is good and load away. If you're looking for a lighter recoiling load and you aren't concerned with powerfactor consider Clays. With 180 grain bullets somewhere around 3.0 grains works well depending on your gun. Don't stray very far north of that as pressure runs up very quickly with that powder. I started at 2.8 and ended up at 3.1 grains. In a Glock 35 it feels like shooting a .22, almost laughed shooting the first magazine through the gun. What OAL for your glock? I am working with CLAYs also for a Glock 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 i used 1.135, I made some dummy rounds before making my load and cycled them through the glock, worked fine in my 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJayJay Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (edited) I have the following to crono this Saturday: Bullet Powder Charge OAL Primer Berrys Plated 180GR CLAYS 3.0 1.125 CCI Berrys Plated 180GR CLAYS 3.2 1.125 CCI Berrys Plated 180GR CLAYS 3.4 1.125 CCI Winchester JHP 180GR CLAYS 3.2 1.125 CCI Winchester JHP 180GR CLAYS 3.4 1.125 CCI Winchester JHP 180GR CLAYS 3.6 1.125 CCI Montana Gold 180Gr CLAYS 3.1 1.125 CCI Montana Gold 180Gr CLAYS 3.2 1.125 CCI Montana Gold 180Gr CLAYS 3.4 1.125 CCI Montana Gold 180Gr TITEGROUP 3.8 1.125 CCI Montana Gold 180Gr TITEGROUP 4.0 1.125 CCI I have carefully made these rounds so I know I should be just fine when I crono these test rounds. I do plan on working up a load to major at a later date. I am just trying to use up the 2 lbs of CLAYS I have in stock. I just got 7 lbs of TITEGROUP yesterday and plan on using that next. Oh, it is a GLOCK 35 that I am using. Edited May 19, 2011 by JayJayJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I run 4.3gr/TG under a 180gr CMJ and this combo gives me a PF of 175. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJayJay Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I run 4.3gr/TG under a 180gr CMJ and this combo gives me a PF of 175. Are you using a Glock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I run 4.3gr/TG under a 180gr CMJ and this combo gives me a PF of 175. Are you using a Glock? Yes, a G35 and an STI Trojan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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