Steve Anderson Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 I think Brian's book says to reload before moving so you can RUN to the next one. I played with it last night and the times were similar but the reload was clumsier when moving, plus I was moving slower for sure. Does anybody reload on the move? SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Everyone. In the old days, we'd judge part of our reload on how close to the exiting shooting box the mag was. In the box, good start. Out of the box, late on the button. As for reloading on the move, practice, practice, practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 So I should start to move before starting to load, or start both at the same time? SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Don't think about it so much Steve MOVE and RELOAD at the same time - usually I drop the mag when I'm done with the last shot and start moving at the same time.... If Kathy Klutz can do it - you definitely CAN do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 2, 2002 Author Share Posted August 2, 2002 That's what I've always done, but last night I started THINKING about it and TRYING to do it, and it all fell apart...It's never been a problem in a match, but I think I can do it better. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 The instructional videos, books, etc., from the top shooters suggest the reload be complete in the first two steps or so. Drop the mag after you call (that's important) the last shot, get the load done, then get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Steve, "but I think I can do it better." You can do better, but you can't think it better. Train to begin moving and loading at the same time, and don't think about it any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 3, 2002 Author Share Posted August 3, 2002 Every time the X-wing fighter dips into the swamp, yoda tells Luke to quit trying and just get the damn thing out of the muck. I think I'm entering my over-analyze everything phase. I'm taking what has never been a problem and trying to get an extra tenth of a second out of it. Intuitively I know that over-analyzing is bad, but don't we have to analyze to improve? In Brian's book, he and Rob analyzed everything and then decided they didn't care so much about the minutia of it all, and just shot the course of fire. Looking backward from their experience, we can see the results of their deconstruction of it all and how they decided to just let go...BUT...can we skip the process ourselves and realize our full potential? Thanks guys, SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted August 3, 2002 Share Posted August 3, 2002 You guys still have boxes ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted August 4, 2002 Share Posted August 4, 2002 Yeah - local clubs still use boxes alot as its too labor intensive to set up a real course (so they say ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunlop Posted August 4, 2002 Share Posted August 4, 2002 I can't see the point in burning out course builders and designers just to pay lip service to the freestyle concept. Over here, at club level at least, we have just replaced boxes with ports, neither necessarily create or stiffle choice, which is what I feel is important (sorry to be so grumpy, I've broken a bone in my right hand ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted August 4, 2002 Share Posted August 4, 2002 Now, now Phil. I have no reason to doubt that you have a broken bone in your hand, but is that the only reason you're grumpy? It wouldn't have anything to do with the Bledisloe Cup, would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dunlop Posted August 4, 2002 Share Posted August 4, 2002 Vince, Pretty tragic weekend, but we'll be back! P.D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Our ranges have some strict physical restrictions, and we don't want to burn out our Stage designers/ROs. So, most everything is either a shooting box or a shooting port. We try to get freestyle stages, but we don't worship at the altar of "engage targets as they become visible" course description. And yes, you Must Call the last shot before starting the reload, otherwise your reload will look like a Marx brothers routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Pinto Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Patrick, What do you mean when you say you must "call the last shot before starting the reload"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 My interpretation of that comment is that you want to sucessfully complete the array in front of you before reloading/heading to the next box. I used to shoot in a sort of IDPA/IPSC combination match that almost always consisted of nothing but 3 target arrays separated with boxes and/or barracades. Not overly exciting, but I learned how to reload in the 10 feet of ground I had to cover between positions. This ended up helping me with the frequent reloading necessary when shooting L-10 in USPSA matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 "Looking backward from their experience, we can see the results of their deconstruction of it all and how they decided to just let go...BUT...can we skip the process ourselves and realize our full potential?" I for one am going to be fascinated by Brian's answer to this question. Honestly I can see so many potential answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 I was kinda hoping he'd bite on that one... I was flipping thru "the book" tonite during dinner, and it seemed like he encourages the reader to try ideas he has discarded, as our mileage will vary. I would guess that we're all going to go thru our own phases whether we think we should, and whether we want to or not. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisT Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Steve- great question. IMHO, even when someone gives us the "best" answer, we can still learn from deconstructing the process ourselves (I think we should!). I think of it like this: if there’s a particular lick or riff I’d like to learn, you could give me the notes, but how much did I really learn from that? Now if I transcribe it myself, I might pick up the phrasing and the subtle nuances etc. I mean, I can’t remember the first riff someone taught me, but I can remember "Crossroads" note-for-note because I spent all those hours working it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 Just like the Stevie Ray clones can't write any music, but can play "scuttlebuttin" note for note... Thanks Travis, SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 Steve, Allright, I bit. "Looking backward from their experience, we can see the results of their deconstruction of it all and how they decided to just let go...BUT...can we skip the process ourselves and realize our full potential?" We must learn when to analyze and when to shoot. Of course we must investigate our techniques with an eye of efficiency; otherwise, how could we improve? The point of accurate instruction is to guide, based on experience. (This implies a certain amount of trust in the "guider." When I said to begin the reload immediately (upon calling the last shot), I said that because, after years of testing in practice, that is the most effective technique I’ve discovered. As for why it may not be working for you at this point in your training, it’s because, like Pat said, "As for reloading on the move, practice, practice, practice." (A "good" load, for me, occurs when the mag is seated before my first foot touches the ground as I’m leaving an area.) So as a guide, train to call all your shots without doubt, especially the last one before moving or reloading , and then immediately upon calling the last shot look right at the mag well until the new mag is seated. If you just keep it that simple and practice with that intention long enough, the load will begin to correspond with the movement of your visual attention. Training implies that your body has yet to learn the physical movements required for consistent execution. The quickest way to educate your body-mind is to decisively DIRECT it with conscious intent, and then, ALLOW your body-mind to carry out your intent without the resistance produced by thinking or trying of any sort. Once your body-mind goes into action, this is usually best done by consciously, continuously, keeping your vision moving. That last sentence describes what I meant when I said – "when to shoot." Whether practicing or competing - when you’re shooting, just shoot. And then analyze when you’re not shooting. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 7, 2002 Author Share Posted August 7, 2002 He bites, and we'll chew on the answer for a while. That's good stuff, as always. "Whether practicing or competing - when you’re shooting, just shoot. And then analyze when you’re not shooting." That might be one to stick in the range bag. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tightloop Posted August 7, 2002 Share Posted August 7, 2002 I know, I hate golf analogies but golfers don't stand on the tee with 13 swing thoughts in their mind, they just hit the ball. Only on the PRACTICE TEE do they give credence to the 13 swing thoughts they are working on. Could be a parallel there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravisT Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 Just like the Stevie Ray clones can't write any music, but can play "scuttlebuttin" note for note... For real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted August 8, 2002 Share Posted August 8, 2002 "Call the shot" simply means that you must know for certain that the last (and hopefully all the other) shot hit, or you'll stop the move and reload, to step back into he box, take the shot, assess it, start the reload...... Bad form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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