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19 Seniors

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Internationals 12 AUS, 2 CAN, 8 GER, 2 ITA, 9 NZE, 1 NET, 1 JPN

US 1 AK, 2 AZ, 9 CA, 2 CT, 1 FL, 4 GA, 3 IA, 2 IL, 2 IN, 14 KS, 1 KY, 8 LA, 2 MD, 2 MI, 1 MN, 5 MS, 1 MT, 1 NJ, 3 NV, 4 NY, 3 OH, 2 OK, 1 OR, 7 PA, 2 TX, 16 VA, 21 MO,

40 Newcomers

40 Multi-Gun

I just saw a post of 180 shooters. With 40 Multi-gun, that's 220 squadded slots. That has got to be at or near capacity, even running two movers. I said the at BC 2010 would be one of the best ever. Now if I can just round up 1/2 dozen more VA shooters, since MO has 21! Go MO, and check out KS w/14. Now we're talking, and lets not overlook AUS w/12, NZE w/9, CA w/9 and LA & GER w/8. Now that's an International Shooting Match.

Way to go BC organizers, promoters and competitors, and of course the sponsors and the NRA.

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Tom,

Where is #6???

I think he is in CA, as you probably know already, we hold the Top 20 Shooters from the previous year. Both # 6 & #16 have not signed up. As of this morning the LATE Entry is $400.00 for both of these shooters.

See ya all in a couple of weeks.

Tom...

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Here is the Competitor List as of Friday Afternoon:

Comp# Name Country

1 BRUCE PIATT USA

2 DOUG KOENIG USA

3 JOHN PRIDE USA

4 CARL BERNOSKY USA

5 LUCA MANGANO ITL

7 KEVIN ANGSTADT USA

8 ZELJKO CVETNIC AUS

9 MARK ITZSTEIN USA

10 CRAIG GINGER AUS

11 JULIE GOLOB USA

12 GREG DICK USA

13 KARL PIPER NZE

14 JORDAN DICK USA

15 TONY HOLMES USA

17 DON GOLEMBIESKI USA

18 JASON KOON USA

19 RICHARD SIEBERT AUS

20 ROBERT VADASZ USA

21 MARTIN JOHNSON USA

22 VERA KOO USA

23 DON SMITH USA

24 RICHARD GONSMAN USA

25 VANCE SCHMID USA

26 DAVE SEVIGNY USA

27 MARK WILLS USA

28 CHUCK THOMEY USA

29 JERRY MICULEK USA

30 JOHN DOWELL USA

31 KEN MACARI USA

32 JOHN BIANCHI USA

33 ALAN STRAWN USA

34 GREG DAVIS USA

35 ANNETTE AYSEN USA

36 JACK RAGSDALE USA

37 REX REID USA

38 RUTH CONN USA

39 THOMAS LANGLEY USA

40 ICHIRO NAGATA JPN

41 CORA MUNT NZE

42 ANDREW RAYLAND USA

43 THOMAS BLIZZARD USA

44 TRAVIS HAYTON USA

45 BILL MOORE USA

46 CARROLL PILANT USA

47 PAUL LOFTUS NZE

48 JACOB HILL CAN

49 ROD ERVIN USA

50 HELEN JEAVONS USA

51 GRANT JEAVONS NZE

52 JOANNE FISHER NZE

53 JOHN SANDERS USA

54 SCOTT MILLER USA

55 GARY YANTIS USA

56 RICHARD MUNT NZE

57 LUKE FISHER NZE

58 TIM ALTENBURG USA

59 RALF VANICEK GER

60 MARC KLESER GER

61 MICHAEL SEEKLANDER USA

62 FRANK TAIT AUS

63 TAKEO ISHII JPN

64 GREG SHULTE USA

65 ALAN SAVOIAN USA

66 JOHN KOPPI USA

67 JOHN JAWOR USA

68 ALBERT THENO USA

69 LAURA DAY USA

70 EDWARD JACAVINO USA

71 KIM BECKWITH USA

72 DAVID BLOUGH USA

73 ROBERT MERILLAT USA

74 JIM CLARK USA

75 KYLE SCHMIDT USA

76 A.G. GANT USA

77 BILLIE HUGHES USA

78 JEC CLARK USA

79 CHARLES WEST USA

80 GARY VALENTINO USA

81 GEORGE W.MARTIN USA

82 ROBERT KRANTZ USA

83 VLADIMIR MASHKOVICH USA

84 LES CLARK AUS

85 CHUCK ANDERSON USA

86 ROGER PARRIS NZE

87 MURRAY STEEDMAN NZE

88 TROY MATTHEYER USA

89 MIKE FLAGLER USA

90 JAY GARDNER USA

91 GLENN POLLOCK AUS

92 TIMOTHY THENO USA

93 ANDREA MORONI ITL

94 KC EUSEBIO USA

95 RUSSELL BRYAN CAN

96 THOMAS GLAS GER

97 TRACY HOCKENHULL USA

98 WARREN MOORE USA

99 CLIFTON GADDIS USA

100 R.DAN PAULEY USA

101 JOSEPH MEYERS USA

102 MARTIN PRILLWITZ USA

103 BRIAN CARLSON USA

104 GEORGE MOWBRAY USA

105 BOB BRINKWORTH USA

106 RYAN McQUILTY AUS

107 MICHAEL LAZARUS USA

108 RANDI ROGERS USA

109 MARK OWENSBY USA

110 SCOTT CARNAHAN USA

111 VERNON MCFADDEN USA

112 CHRISTY MCFADDEN USA

113 ENRICO HOOVER NZE

114 JUDITH RAGSDALE USA

115 STEPHEN BRACKNEY USA

116 KENNETH CHAMBERS USA

117 SCOTT SMITH USA

118 JESS CHRISTENSEN USA

119 GREGORY VAN BORSSUM AUS

120 SYDNEY SURGI USA

121 JODI LYALL AUS

122 BRUCE DICKEY USA

123 ALLAN HARRIMAN AUS

124 ALFRED PETERS AUS

125 BENJAMIN BOYETTE USA

126 LOUIS TOMME USA

127 RON LACEY USA

128 GARY BRUMBELOW USA

129 VOLKER SCHONFELD GER

130 DANIEL HAUSERMAN USA

131 DHON HAUSERMAN USA

132 TONY DRABSCH USA

133 BRETT FOSTER AUS

134 KANDI BLICK USA

135 ARNO SCHRICK GER

136 ARND WEINHOLD GER

137 CHRISTOPHER HARPIN USA

138 ALBERT GRECO III USA

139 VOLKER WAGEMEYER GER

140 LANDON ALLEY USA

141 BERND WERKSHAGEN GER

142 BERND GEPPERT GER

143 TIFFANY PIPER NZE

144 MARK SPANGLER USA

145 KENNETH JOHNSON USA

146 DOUG CARDEN USA

147 GARY LEWIS USA

148 TOMOYUKI HASEGAWA JPN

149 JIM STAADER AUS

150 JOHN LINDER USA

151 DOUG ALLEY USA

152 BRIAN BROCKWAY USA

153 CHTISTOPHER YOTZ USA

154 RONALD DEJARNETTE USA

155 CHRIS NUSS USA

156 KELLI SAMPSEL USA

157 MARK ANDREWS USA

158 STEPHEN EMBER USA

159 ZACHARY TEICH USA

160 KELLY GILMORE USA

161 CHIP LOHMAN USA

162 REIN MULDERS NED

163 JEREMY NEWELL USA

164 ANDRE SCHROEDER GER

165 PETER WILLIAMS AUS

166 B.J. NORRIS USA

167 DAVID PERRYMAN USA

168 SHERRY SMITH USA

169 WILLIAM ALEWINE USA

170 KEVIN SANTI USA

171 SHERRIE MEISER USA

172 JERRY MEISER USA

173 MIKE IRVINE USA

174 JOHN SCOUTEN USA

175 JESSIE ABBATE USA

176 BILLY ABBATE USA

177 SHAWN KNIGHT USA

178 MOLLY SMITH USA

179 PHIL STRADER USA

180 DAVE HUFSTEDLER USA

181 LEE ATKINS USA

182 MATTHEW WALSH USMC

183 STEPHEN RYTHER USMC

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19 Seniors

17 Women

Internationals 12 AUS, 2 CAN, 8 GER, 2 ITA, 9 NZE, 1 NET, 1 JPN

US 1 AK, 2 AZ, 9 CA, 2 CT, 1 FL, 4 GA, 3 IA, 2 IL, 2 IN, 14 KS, 1 KY, 8 LA, 2 MD, 2 MI, 1 MN, 5 MS, 1 MT, 1 NJ, 3 NV, 4 NY, 3 OH, 2 OK, 1 OR, 7 PA, 2 TX, 16 VA, 21 MO,

40 Newcomers

40 Multi-Gun

I just saw a post of 180 shooters. With 40 Multi-gun, that's 220 squadded slots. That has got to be at or near capacity, even running two movers. I said the at BC 2010 would be one of the best ever. Now if I can just round up 1/2 dozen more VA shooters, since MO has 21! Go MO, and check out KS w/14. Now we're talking, and lets not overlook AUS w/12, NZE w/9, CA w/9 and LA & GER w/8. Now that's an International Shooting Match.

Way to go BC organizers, promoters and competitors, and of course the sponsors and the NRA.

Hi, just had a look at the list after getting home from the practice today; I have done a tote from the list above and can see 14 Australians (AUS) listed and #122 Bruce Dickey (from my club & also an Aussie) listed as "USA". He might have dual citizenship that I don't know about, but that would definitely be news to me!

So as far as I can see there are actually 15 of us coming from "Down Under"!

Woo Hoo! See you all in 18 days!

Jimbo

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Sadly, you may scratch #63. Work has finally taken a cruel turn and interfered with my Cup participation this year. I will be on travel to Australia for business in the weeks leading up to the cup. If someone from down under can give me some tips on what to do in Rockingham, WA and Adelaide, SA I would appreciate it. Good luck to all competitors.

Try this link for Rockingham - it is a great beach suburb.... Adelaide can be a bit cool (temperature wise) in May.. but there are wineries and great food... and about 3 substantial Pistol Clubs.

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Here is the Competitor List as of this Morning:

Comp# Name Country

1 BRUCE PIATT USA

2 DOUG KOENIG USA

3 JOHN PRIDE USA

4 CARL BERNOSKY USA

5 LUCA MANGANO ITL

7 KEVIN ANGSTADT USA

8 ZELJKO CVETNIC AUS

9 MARK ITZSTEIN USA

10 CRAIG GINGER AUS

11 JULIE GOLOB USA

12 GREG DICK USA

13 KARL PIPER NZE

14 JORDAN DICK USA

15 TONY HOLMES USA

17 DON GOLEMBIESKI USA

18 JASON KOON USA

19 RICHARD SIEBERT AUS

20 ROBERT VADASZ USA

21 MARTIN JOHNSON USA

22 VERA KOO USA

23 DON SMITH USA

24 RICHARD GONSMAN USA

25 VANCE SCHMID USA

26 DAVE SEVIGNY USA

27 MARK WILLS USA

28 CHUCK THOMEY USA

29 JERRY MICULEK USA

30 JOHN DOWELL USA

31 KEN MACARI USA

32 JOHN BIANCHI USA

33 ALAN STRAWN USA

34 GREG DAVIS USA

35 ANNETTE AYSEN USA

36 JACK RAGSDALE USA

37 REX REID USA

38 RUTH CONN USA

39 THOMAS LANGLEY USA

40 ICHIRO NAGATA JPN

41 CORA MUNT NZE

42 ANDREW RAYLAND USA

43 THOMAS BLIZZARD USA

44 TRAVIS HAYTON USA

45 BILL MOORE USA

46 CARROLL PILANT USA

47 PAUL LOFTUS NZE

48 JACOB HILL CAN

49 ROD ERVIN USA

50 HELEN JEAVONS USA

51 GRANT JEAVONS NZE

52 JOANNE FISHER NZE

53 JOHN SANDERS USA

54 SCOTT MILLER USA

55 GARY YANTIS USA

56 RICHARD MUNT NZE

57 LUKE FISHER NZE

58 TIM ALTENBURG USA

59 RALF VANICEK GER

60 MARC KLESER GER

61 MICHAEL SEEKLANDER USA

62 FRANK TAIT AUS

63 TAKEO ISHII JPN

64 GREG SHULTE USA

65 ALAN SAVOIAN USA

66 JOHN KOPPI USA

67 JOHN JAWOR USA

68 ALBERT THENO USA

69 LAURA DAY USA

70 EDWARD JACAVINO USA

71 KIM BECKWITH USA

72 DAVID BLOUGH USA

73 ROBERT MERILLAT USA

74 JIM CLARK USA

75 KYLE SCHMIDT USA

76 A.G. GANT USA

77 BILLIE HUGHES USA

78 JEC CLARK USA

79 CHARLES WEST USA

80 GARY VALENTINO USA

81 GEORGE W.MARTIN USA

82 ROBERT KRANTZ USA

83 VLADIMIR MASHKOVICH USA

84 LES CLARK AUS

85 CHUCK ANDERSON USA

86 ROGER PARRIS NZE

87 MURRAY STEEDMAN NZE

88 TROY MATTHEYER USA

89 MIKE FLAGLER USA

90 JAY GARDNER USA

91 GLENN POLLOCK AUS

92 TIMOTHY THENO USA

93 ANDREA MORONI ITL

94 KC EUSEBIO USA

95 RUSSELL BRYAN CAN

96 THOMAS GLAS GER

97 TRACY HOCKENHULL USA

98 WARREN MOORE USA

99 CLIFTON GADDIS USA

100 R.DAN PAULEY USA

101 JOSEPH MEYERS USA

102 MARTIN PRILLWITZ USA

103 BRIAN CARLSON USA

104 GEORGE MOWBRAY USA

105 BOB BRINKWORTH USA

106 RYAN McQUILTY AUS

107 MICHAEL LAZARUS USA

108 RANDI ROGERS USA

109 MARK OWENSBY USA

110 SCOTT CARNAHAN USA

111 VERNON MCFADDEN USA

112 CHRISTY MCFADDEN USA

113 ENRICO HOOVER NZE

114 JUDITH RAGSDALE USA

115 STEPHEN BRACKNEY USA

116 KENNETH CHAMBERS USA

117 SCOTT SMITH USA

118 JESS CHRISTENSEN USA

119 GREGORY VAN BORSSUM AUS

120 SYDNEY SURGI USA

121 JODI LYALL AUS

122 BRUCE DICKEY USA

123 ALLAN HARRIMAN AUS

124 ALFRED PETERS AUS

125 BENJAMIN BOYETTE USA

126 LOUIS TOMME USA

127 RON LACEY USA

128 GARY BRUMBELOW USA

129 VOLKER SCHONFELD GER

130 DANIEL HAUSERMAN USA

131 DHON HAUSERMAN USA

132 TONY DRABSCH USA

133 BRETT FOSTER AUS

134 KANDI BLICK USA

135 ARNO SCHRICK GER

136 ARND WEINHOLD GER

137 CHRISTOPHER HARPIN USA

138 ALBERT GRECO III USA

139 VOLKER WAGEMEYER GER

140 LANDON ALLEY USA

141 BERND WERKSHAGEN GER

142 BERND GEPPERT GER

143 TIFFANY PIPER NZE

144 MARK SPANGLER USA

145 KENNETH JOHNSON USA

146 DOUG CARDEN USA

147 GARY LEWIS USA

148 TOMOYUKI HASEGAWA JPN

149 JIM STAADER AUS

150 JOHN LINDER USA

151 DOUG ALLEY USA

152 BRIAN BROCKWAY USA

153 CHTISTOPHER YOTZ USA

154 RONALD DEJARNETTE USA

155 CHRIS NUSS USA

156 KELLI SAMPSEL USA

157 MARK ANDREWS USA

158 STEPHEN EMBER USA

159 ZACHARY TEICH USA

160 KELLY GILMORE USA

161 CHIP LOHMAN USA

162 REIN MULDERS NED

163 JEREMY NEWELL USA

164 ANDRE SCHROEDER GER

165 PETER WILLIAMS AUS

166 B.J. NORRIS USA

167 DAVID PERRYMAN USA

168 SHERRY SMITH USA

169 WILLIAM ALEWINE USA

170 KEVIN SANTI USA

171 SHERRIE MEISER USA

172 JERRY MEISER USA

173 MIKE IRVINE USA

174 JOHN SCOUTEN USA

175 JESSIE ABBATE USA

176 BILLY ABBATE USA

177 SHAWN KNIGHT USA

178 MOLLY SMITH USA

179 PHIL STRADER USA

180 DAVE HUFSTEDLER USA

181 ED BOWLING USA

182 LEE ATKINS USA

183 MATTHEW WALSH USMC

184 STEPHEN RYTHER USMC

185 STEVE WEATHERSBY USA

186 JEFFREY RICHARDS USA

187 ANDREW BARKSDALE USA

188 ENOCH SMITH USA

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How's the division break down looking ? How many first time production shooters?

Im pretty excited and Im 20 days away. :cheers:

106 Open Shooters

28 Metallic Shooters

54 Production Shooters

188 Total Shooters

48 Newcomers

25 1st Time Production Competitors

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I usually don't complain, I discuss. But 4 out of 106 open shooters have a chance at the Speed event. That seems a little lopsided to me, compared to the numbers in the other classes. Tom you do a fantastic job!!! But, on this I think some of us long time open shooters have been done an injustice by this new rule. :(

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I usually don't complain, I discuss. But 4 out of 106 open shooters have a chance at the Speed event. That seems a little lopsided to me, compared to the numbers in the other classes. Tom you do a fantastic job!!! But, on this I think some of us long time open shooters have been done an injustice by this new rule. :(

All,

Sorry, you do not agree with the change to the Speed Event, the bottom line is it has run faster, and it needs to be covered to get our Sponsor some press to justify the sponsorship. Alsom with the TV coverage we hope more people will want to get involved in NRA Action Shooting. As you all know, the Speed Event is one of the 16 approved Events in the NRA Action Pistol Rule Book, and can be run at any Club or Range. With the addition of another Division, we would have added a considerable amount of time to the Event.

This year we are also running (2) two Moving Target Events, (Upper & Lower) in an effort to see if we can reduce the Championship Dates by one day in 2011. So we had to either remove something or reduse the amount of competitors that qualify to compete in the Speed Event, it is now as fair & equitable over 3 Divisions and 3 Categories. As you can see below, the majority of the top 3 competitors that finished 1st, 2nd & 3rd in the Speed Event are the top 4 competitors overall from 2006-2009.

2009

Open:

1st Koenig 2nd Overall

2nd Voight 6th Overall

3rd Piatt 1st Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Vasdasz 2nd Overall

3rd Strader 3rd Overall

2008

Open:

1st Koenig 1st Overall

2nd Holmes 14th Overall

3rd Ginger 13th Overall

Metallic:

1st Miculek 2nd Overall

2nd Schmidt 3rd Overall

3rd Vasdasz 1st Overall

2007

Open:

1st Koenig 1st Overall

2nd Voight 4th Overall

3rd Holmes 15th Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Strader 2nd Overall

3rd Schimd 3rd Overall

2006

Open:

1st Koenig 2nd Overall

2nd Voight 4th Overall

3rd Piatt 1st Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Strader 3rd Overall

3rd Miculek 4th Overall

Hope to see you all in Columbia in a couple of weeks. We leave here on the 17th, and will be in Columbia on the 19th to set up.

Travel safely.

Tom...

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19 Seniors

17 Women

Internationals 12 AUS, 2 CAN, 8 GER, 2 ITA, 9 NZE, 1 NET, 1 JPN

US 1 AK, 2 AZ, 9 CA, 2 CT, 1 FL, 4 GA, 3 IA, 2 IL, 2 IN, 14 KS, 1 KY, 8 LA, 2 MD, 2 MI, 1 MN, 5 MS, 1 MT, 1 NJ, 3 NV, 4 NY, 3 OH, 2 OK, 1 OR, 7 PA, 2 TX, 16 VA, 21 MO,

40 Newcomers

40 Multi-Gun

I just saw a post of 180 shooters. With 40 Multi-gun, that's 220 squadded slots. That has got to be at or near capacity, even running two movers. I said the at BC 2010 would be one of the best ever. Now if I can just round up 1/2 dozen more VA shooters, since MO has 21! Go MO, and check out KS w/14. Now we're talking, and lets not overlook AUS w/12, NZE w/9, CA w/9 and LA & GER w/8. Now that's an International Shooting Match.

Way to go BC organizers, promoters and competitors, and of course the sponsors and the NRA.

Hi, just had a look at the list after getting home from the practice today; I have done a tote from the list above and can see 14 Australians (AUS) listed and #122 Bruce Dickey (from my club & also an Aussie) listed as "USA". He might have dual citizenship that I don't know about, but that would definitely be news to me!

So as far as I can see there are actually 15 of us coming from "Down Under"!

Woo Hoo! See you all in 18 days!

Jimbo

Also #132 TONY DRABSCH USA Should be down as an Australian shooter too.

See you all soon.

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I usually don't complain, I discuss. But 4 out of 106 open shooters have a chance at the Speed event. That seems a little lopsided to me, compared to the numbers in the other classes. Tom you do a fantastic job!!! But, on this I think some of us long time open shooters have been done an injustice by this new rule. :(

All,

Sorry, you do not agree with the change to the Speed Event, the bottom line is it has run faster, and it needs to be covered to get our Sponsor some press to justify the sponsorship. Alsom with the TV coverage we hope more people will want to get involved in NRA Action Shooting. As you all know, the Speed Event is one of the 16 approved Events in the NRA Action Pistol Rule Book, and can be run at any Club or Range. With the addition of another Division, we would have added a considerable amount of time to the Event.

This year we are also running (2) two Moving Target Events, (Upper & Lower) in an effort to see if we can reduce the Championship Dates by one day in 2011. So we had to either remove something or reduse the amount of competitors that qualify to compete in the Speed Event, it is now as fair & equitable over 3 Divisions and 3 Categories. As you can see below, the majority of the top 3 competitors that finished 1st, 2nd & 3rd in the Speed Event are the top 4 competitors overall from 2006-2009.

2009

Open:

1st Koenig 2nd Overall

2nd Voight 6th Overall

3rd Piatt 1st Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Vasdasz 2nd Overall

3rd Strader 3rd Overall

2008

Open:

1st Koenig 1st Overall

2nd Holmes 14th Overall

3rd Ginger 13th Overall

Metallic:

1st Miculek 2nd Overall

2nd Schmidt 3rd Overall

3rd Vasdasz 1st Overall

2007

Open:

1st Koenig 1st Overall

2nd Voight 4th Overall

3rd Holmes 15th Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Strader 2nd Overall

3rd Schimd 3rd Overall

2006

Open:

1st Koenig 2nd Overall

2nd Voight 4th Overall

3rd Piatt 1st Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Strader 3rd Overall

3rd Miculek 4th Overall

Hope to see you all in Columbia in a couple of weeks. We leave here on the 17th, and will be in Columbia on the 19th to set up.

Travel safely.

Tom...

You're comparing different categories. So far as Open is concerned, 1/3 of the top 3 finishers were outside the top 4 in that category. To be equitable, try a percentage from each category. The way it stands now, you have 4% from Open, 14% from Metallic and 7% from Production. Seems to me that you're trying to discourage Open shooters from participating.

As it stands now, there will be a grand total of 12 shooters in Metallic & Production (8% & 7% respectively) who will go home with no money, but 86 (81%)in Open out of the money. But I guess that's only fair since the Open shooters spent all that money to get a gun built, they don't need to be rewarded for progressing to Open from the Production and Metallic categories where nearly all of us started out. :angry2:

Most Open shooters have quite a few years (and dollars) invested in this game, and now we're being told it's not worth it to stay in Open. It all goes back to the so-called "level playing field" theory. That was the idea a few years back when we weren't allowed to go prone except at the 50 yd line......."level playing field". That doesn't work! If it did, then why did participation keep dropping when that change was made? Try that with High Power Rifle shooters........tell them that slings, spotting scopes and shooting coats are no longer allowed........that's a "level playing field"!:roflol:

I realize that change is inevitable with anything, but this seems to be headed in the wrong direction, IMHO. Bringing in new blood is great, but when you step on the toes of your base supporters, it's a mistake.

Just my $.02

Alan~^~

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I usually don't complain, I discuss. But 4 out of 106 open shooters have a chance at the Speed event. That seems a little lopsided to me, compared to the numbers in the other classes. Tom you do a fantastic job!!! But, on this I think some of us long time open shooters have been done an injustice by this new rule. :(

All,

Sorry, you do not agree with the change to the Speed Event, the bottom line is it has run faster, and it needs to be covered to get our Sponsor some press to justify the sponsorship. Alsom with the TV coverage we hope more people will want to get involved in NRA Action Shooting. As you all know, the Speed Event is one of the 16 approved Events in the NRA Action Pistol Rule Book, and can be run at any Club or Range. With the addition of another Division, we would have added a considerable amount of time to the Event.

This year we are also running (2) two Moving Target Events, (Upper & Lower) in an effort to see if we can reduce the Championship Dates by one day in 2011. So we had to either remove something or reduse the amount of competitors that qualify to compete in the Speed Event, it is now as fair & equitable over 3 Divisions and 3 Categories. As you can see below, the majority of the top 3 competitors that finished 1st, 2nd & 3rd in the Speed Event are the top 4 competitors overall from 2006-2009.

2009

Open:

1st Koenig 2nd Overall

2nd Voight 6th Overall

3rd Piatt 1st Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Vasdasz 2nd Overall

3rd Strader 3rd Overall

2008

Open:

1st Koenig 1st Overall

2nd Holmes 14th Overall

3rd Ginger 13th Overall

Metallic:

1st Miculek 2nd Overall

2nd Schmidt 3rd Overall

3rd Vasdasz 1st Overall

2007

Open:

1st Koenig 1st Overall

2nd Voight 4th Overall

3rd Holmes 15th Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Strader 2nd Overall

3rd Schimd 3rd Overall

2006

Open:

1st Koenig 2nd Overall

2nd Voight 4th Overall

3rd Piatt 1st Overall

Metallic:

1st Leatham 1st Overall

2nd Strader 3rd Overall

3rd Miculek 4th Overall

Hope to see you all in Columbia in a couple of weeks. We leave here on the 17th, and will be in Columbia on the 19th to set up.

Travel safely.

Tom...

You're comparing different categories. So far as Open is concerned, 1/3 of the top 3 finishers were outside the top 4 in that category. To be equitable, try a percentage from each category. The way it stands now, you have 4% from Open, 14% from Metallic and 7% from Production. Seems to me that you're trying to discourage Open shooters from participating.

As it stands now, there will be a grand total of 12 shooters in Metallic & Production (8% & 7% respectively) who will go home with no money, but 86 (81%)in Open out of the money. But I guess that's only fair since the Open shooters spent all that money to get a gun built, they don't need to be rewarded for progressing to Open from the Production and Metallic categories where nearly all of us started out. :angry2:

Most Open shooters have quite a few years (and dollars) invested in this game, and now we're being told it's not worth it to stay in Open. It all goes back to the so-called "level playing field" theory. That was the idea a few years back when we weren't allowed to go prone except at the 50 yd line......."level playing field". That doesn't work! If it did, then why did participation keep dropping when that change was made? Try that with High Power Rifle shooters........tell them that slings, spotting scopes and shooting coats are no longer allowed........that's a "level playing field"!:roflol:

I realize that change is inevitable with anything, but this seems to be headed in the wrong direction, IMHO. Bringing in new blood is great, but when you step on the toes of your base supporters, it's a mistake.

Just my $.02

Alan~^~

Alan,

Assuming your statistical figures are correct and knowing you they are, I agree with you 99%. The 1% that I don't agree is the fact that if the Cup kept meandering at 140 -150 competitors, then it would cease to exist. My belief is that the recent measures have had an impact on getting more shooters to come "this" year. The question is, will they return "next" year? I would hope so, but I would suggest not.

So far Tom as his crew have made some very good decisions. A few that I don't agree with, but that is only me. The results at the end of the day is what is important, unfortunately that day is more than a day long. How long will it take, nobody knows. IMO some of the things being done are not much different then some of the gov't incentives, in that they make a immediate small difference, but not a lasting one. The later is what we need most provided it get beyond the now.

See you in a couple weeks, and sorry I will not make it to Bedford on the 8th.

MJ

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I don't want to be mean, but as an Area Director once said, "If you don't win a gun then shoot better next time!"

I have been to quite a few matches where I took home something made in china and maybe some stuff that wasn't even worth the ammo I shot the event with.

If you want privaliges and loot then shoot better next time.

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I think the problem in this case is it's not a case of shooting better. It's a case of hide in one of the smaller Divisions to get more loot. If you finish #21 in a Divsion with 100 shooters, you're out of luck. If you finish 21 in a division with half that number, you're walking away with cash. Taking it a step farther, the Division with the lowest points will end up with the most stuff. Not exactly a case of shoot better, win more.

Now I understand the reasons why Production is being pushed so hard. It's the reason I'm dragging my lazy innaccurate butt to Missouri this year. Figure I should at least be able to pay for ammo even with a likely unimpressive performance. It wouldn't have been worth it for me to build an Open gun and do the same even if they ran the table down to 50th in Open (doubt I would make it to that mark). Wish I could see a solution, but I'm guessing, "just get more prizes" probably isn't all the realistic.

My big issue this far is trying to figure out how the "rules" and the referree have decided that aftermarket barrels in Production are cool at the Cup, but I can't shoot one at my club match the week before, or after Bianchi. That one seems a bit off to me. (Of course that said I just shipped my G34 off to SJC for an emergency aftermarket barrel fit)

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I think the problem in this case is it's not a case of shooting better. It's a case of hide in one of the smaller Divisions to get more loot. If you finish #21 in a Divsion with 100 shooters, you're out of luck. If you finish 21 in a division with half that number, you're walking away with cash. Taking it a step farther, the Division with the lowest points will end up with the most stuff. Not exactly a case of shoot better, win more.

Now I understand the reasons why Production is being pushed so hard. It's the reason I'm dragging my lazy innaccurate butt to Missouri this year. Figure I should at least be able to pay for ammo even with a likely unimpressive performance. It wouldn't have been worth it for me to build an Open gun and do the same even if they ran the table down to 50th in Open (doubt I would make it to that mark). Wish I could see a solution, but I'm guessing, "just get more prizes" probably isn't all the realistic.

My big issue this far is trying to figure out how the "rules" and the referree have decided that aftermarket barrels in Production are cool at the Cup, but I can't shoot one at my club match the week before, or after Bianchi. That one seems a bit off to me. (Of course that said I just shipped my G34 off to SJC for an emergency aftermarket barrel fit)

Yeah, the only rule issue that has cropped up that has really bothered me is the trickling out of the Production rule changes. Not what they are but when they are available. Whether it is a 3 pound trigger or 10 pound trigger. Whether it allows aftermarket barrels or not. Whether it allows replacing fixed sights with adjustables or not. Whether I can use a Bladetech drop offset holster or not. Just tell me and I will work within the rules. But, don't expect me to guess or wait until the last minute to find out. If that is my choice then I won't be there.

I have a perfectly good Production gun and rig that I could have used but didn't know until too late to practice with it this year. And after I had already built a Metallic gun. Any and all rules should be set in stone and easy to find at least 6 months in advance. Period. No exceptions.

Chris

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I think the problem in this case is it's not a case of shooting better. It's a case of hide in one of the smaller Divisions to get more loot. If you finish #21 in a Divsion with 100 shooters, you're out of luck. If you finish 21 in a division with half that number, you're walking away with cash. Taking it a step farther, the Division with the lowest points will end up with the most stuff. Not exactly a case of shoot better, win more.

Now I understand the reasons why Production is being pushed so hard. It's the reason I'm dragging my lazy innaccurate butt to Missouri this year. Figure I should at least be able to pay for ammo even with a likely unimpressive performance. It wouldn't have been worth it for me to build an Open gun and do the same even if they ran the table down to 50th in Open (doubt I would make it to that mark). Wish I could see a solution, but I'm guessing, "just get more prizes" probably isn't all the realistic.

My big issue this far is trying to figure out how the "rules" and the referree have decided that aftermarket barrels in Production are cool at the Cup, but I can't shoot one at my club match the week before, or after Bianchi. That one seems a bit off to me. (Of course that said I just shipped my G34 off to SJC for an emergency aftermarket barrel fit)

Yeah, the only rule issue that has cropped up that has really bothered me is the trickling out of the Production rule changes. Not what they are but when they are available. Whether it is a 3 pound trigger or 10 pound trigger. Whether it allows aftermarket barrels or not. Whether it allows replacing fixed sights with adjustables or not. Whether I can use a Bladetech drop offset holster or not. Just tell me and I will work within the rules. But, don't expect me to guess or wait until the last minute to find out. If that is my choice then I won't be there.

I have a perfectly good Production gun and rig that I could have used but didn't know until too late to practice with it this year. And after I had already built a Metallic gun. Any and all rules should be set in stone and easy to find at least 6 months in advance. Period. No exceptions.

Chris

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I think the problem in this case is it's not a case of shooting better. It's a case of hide in one of the smaller Divisions to get more loot. If you finish #21 in a Divsion with 100 shooters, you're out of luck. If you finish 21 in a division with half that number, you're walking away with cash. Taking it a step farther, the Division with the lowest points will end up with the most stuff. Not exactly a case of shoot better, win more.

Now I understand the reasons why Production is being pushed so hard. It's the reason I'm dragging my lazy innaccurate butt to Missouri this year. Figure I should at least be able to pay for ammo even with a likely unimpressive performance. It wouldn't have been worth it for me to build an Open gun and do the same even if they ran the table down to 50th in Open (doubt I would make it to that mark). Wish I could see a solution, but I'm guessing, "just get more prizes" probably isn't all the realistic.

My big issue this far is trying to figure out how the "rules" and the referree have decided that aftermarket barrels in Production are cool at the Cup, but I can't shoot one at my club match the week before, or after Bianchi. That one seems a bit off to me. (Of course that said I just shipped my G34 off to SJC for an emergency aftermarket barrel fit)

Production is not being pushed, what some people seem to be missing is, NRA Action Pistol is more then just the Bianchi Cup, it was introdused to make it easier for people to start shooting NRA Action Pistol with minimum cost, incentives at the Championship will always be intruduced. This year we have also added a Speed Team Event, which will be a fired by 3 competitors on Sat, 29 May.

Now the barrel issue, there has NOT been a rule change, this is one of the bad things about trying to keep the shooters informed. The definition of OEM is An original equipment manufacturer, or OEM, manufactures products or components that are purchased by a company and retailed under that purchasing company's brand name. OEM refers to the company that originally manufactured the product.

That doed NOT mean you can replace the barrel with any barrel you wish.

Tom...

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I think the problem in this case is it's not a case of shooting better. It's a case of hide in one of the smaller Divisions to get more loot. If you finish #21 in a Divsion with 100 shooters, you're out of luck. If you finish 21 in a division with half that number, you're walking away with cash. Taking it a step farther, the Division with the lowest points will end up with the most stuff. Not exactly a case of shoot better, win more.

Now I understand the reasons why Production is being pushed so hard. It's the reason I'm dragging my lazy innaccurate butt to Missouri this year. Figure I should at least be able to pay for ammo even with a likely unimpressive performance. It wouldn't have been worth it for me to build an Open gun and do the same even if they ran the table down to 50th in Open (doubt I would make it to that mark). Wish I could see a solution, but I'm guessing, "just get more prizes" probably isn't all the realistic.

My big issue this far is trying to figure out how the "rules" and the referree have decided that aftermarket barrels in Production are cool at the Cup, but I can't shoot one at my club match the week before, or after Bianchi. That one seems a bit off to me. (Of course that said I just shipped my G34 off to SJC for an emergency aftermarket barrel fit)

Production is not being pushed, what some people seem to be missing is, NRA Action Pistol is more then just the Bianchi Cup, it was introdused to make it easier for people to start shooting NRA Action Pistol with minimum cost, incentives at the Championship will always be intruduced. This year we have also added a Speed Team Event, which will be a fired by 3 competitors on Sat, 29 May.

Now the barrel issue, there has NOT been a rule change, this is one of the bad things about trying to keep the shooters informed. The definition of OEM is An original equipment manufacturer, or OEM, manufactures products or components that are purchased by a company and retailed under that purchasing company's brand name. OEM refers to the company that originally manufactured the product.

That doed NOT mean you can replace the barrel with any barrel you wish.

Tom...

Sorry the quote from you that I read said that barrels could be replaced wtih aftermarket barrels. I thought that was pretty clear. If you are now saying that they can't be replaced with aftermarket barrels PLEASE clarify this since I just sent mine off to get fitted with a KKM barrel and I'm going to be seriously upset if NRA is flip flopping on this again.

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Sorry the quote from you that I read said that barrels could be replaced wtih aftermarket barrels. I thought that was pretty clear. If you are now saying that they can't be replaced with aftermarket barrels PLEASE clarify this since I just sent mine off to get fitted with a KKM barrel and I'm going to be seriously upset if NRA is flip flopping on this again.

Chuck<

I don't Flip Flop...but I do admit my mistakes, I confused another decision made by the Chief Referee on OEM equipment...your barrel add is good to go! If was up to me I would not allow any changes this close, but the majority thinks some things need to be addressed.

But you and everyone else reading this need to know this is NOT a Rule Change, it's a clarification made by the Chief Referee at the 2010 Bianchi Cup.

See ya in a few weeks.

Tom...

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Since we are talking about rules here, I have a request for AFTER the Cup. Let's make all the single action triggers 2 pounds across the board as they are for Open class and the DA triggers over 3.5. That way it will save a lot of people in Production from having to take their Production gun to a gunsmith to try to get the SA raised up to 3.5 pounds. If you HAVE to have smithing done to meet the rules, it's not really production anymore.

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