eric nielsen Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) This is a decent discussion. I would just warn against all talk of causation without the attachment of "this is speculative - not proven - not disproved". There is a large difference between correlation and cause. In the case of most human diseases, outside of Infectious Disease, there is not a cause, there is not a cure, there is not a 100% prevention to be found. What can be found are correlations - strong ones and weak ones. With strong correlations you start to see [professional] talk of Known Risk Factors, and Risk Factor Management. Those are all good topics to explore. As usual, my thoughts upon seeing health-related postings by Jake are along the lines of "look before you leap" - often there is no landing zone on the other side of the chasm. Getting people to explore with you is fine; getting people to run off the edge of a cliff with you, not so fine. Happy hunting. PS - thanks for the post about the WalMart meter and strips. That will help me often with pharmacy patients. Edited February 24, 2010 by eric nielsen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 In the case of most human diseases, outside of Infectious Disease, there is not a cause, there is not a cure, there is not a 100% prevention to be found. So with regards to the disease of western civilization (Diabetes, CHD, etc) - you are saying there is no cause, cure, or prevention? I surely hope not because there is a very substantial amount of evidence to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/2006_Oxford.pdf http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Hyperinsulinemic%20Diseases%20Final.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyOne Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 The huge problem with that generalization is that once you're diagnosed, glycemic control is a delicate balancing act that is easily disrupted. The patient requires regular monitoring, to ensure that there's no significant or long-lasting loss of euglycemia --- as that is what damages organs. Diabetics will live for years with the disease, with excellent control decades without major complications.... I know this is fact. My Grandmother was diagnosed with juvenile type I when she was 13 years old. It did, in fact end up killing her....She was 94.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Antichrome Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Oh, another hate on this..... Have ya seen the price of test strips?? It makes primers seem like a bargain! My apologies for turning this into a drifting discussion. But the Reli-On Micro strips are <$24 per 50 at WalMart. The Reli-On Micro meter is also very cheap and quite good. Pretty fast to show the reading, doesnt need coding, and it uses absolutely the smallest drop of blood. It has become my favorite meter, and it uses the cheapest strips. Can these be used to test on your forearms or are they used for fingertips? I hate using my fingertips. Wow, this thread took on a life of it's own. The Reli-On Micro does not have alternate site capability. For the same price ($12) Reli-On has the 'Confirm' model which does work for alt site testing. It uses the same strips which are now $21.88 for a 50 pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carharttfarmer Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 im happy when i go low at home better than at the barn or in a piece of equipment and have to see whats edible in there 6 month to 1yr old candy isnt very good but type 1 sucks either way and no insurance really sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric nielsen Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 A pretty good site [and free]: http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/index.html Found it while reminding myself the difference between c-peptide and c-reactive protein while working up a Vanco dosing schedule for C. diff... If that sounds fun, you're weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary1911A1 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Oh, another hate on this..... Have ya seen the price of test strips?? It makes primers seem like a bargain! My apologies for turning this into a drifting discussion. But the Reli-On Micro strips are <$24 per 50 at WalMart. The Reli-On Micro meter is also very cheap and quite good. Pretty fast to show the reading, doesnt need coding, and it uses absolutely the smallest drop of blood. It has become my favorite meter, and it uses the cheapest strips. Can these be used to test on your forearms or are they used for fingertips? I hate using my fingertips. Wow, this thread took on a life of it's own. The Reli-On Micro does not have alternate site capability. For the same price ($12) Reli-On has the 'Confirm' model which does work for alt site testing. It uses the same strips which are now $21.88 for a 50 pack. Thank you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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