scottyinAZ

depends on how hard and fast you pull the trigger. 327 wont hold up long if you shoot very fast or pull the trigger very hard. the alloy frame gets damaged at the cylinder stop opening and the cylinder center pin hole. 627s are tough and fairly light for swing. the comps on any of the factory comp guns don't do much, especially at very low power factor loads. a steel gun will last a long time. lighten the barrel if needed.

EkuJustice I understand what your saying about the 6 shot guns to some degree. I do own 3 5" 625s. so I don't want to undermine the value of these guns. but I would rather own guns that I can shoot and enjoy in competition and have some safe queen 625s. I have given thought to shooting cough cough IDPA with the 625s....... there are more 627s in circulation and production. to be competitive in uspsa with old rules you needed a gun that was not being produced any longer. that sure cuts down on new people getting into the swing of it. its a keep up with the times change. in the 80s all action shooting was with revolvers, then they got the 1911s dialed in a bit and they dominated. revo was a dinosaur. then the double stack guns put the 1911 on the shelf. its always an evolution of equipment with any mechanical sport. we don't race 1976 Yamaha motorcycles because the 1979 was much better. the 627 is a better gun for uspsa. why stifle the division? no one wants to be forced into buying new guns. but if we kept the rules the same as day 1, where would we be as a shooting sport? im sure TGO can chime in about the evolutions of uspsa and equipment changes and rules....... its an ongoing evolution. time to update the revo division. im ready to shelf the 625s and pass them on to my kids as "relics" they are still RAD guns. scott

as a somewhat die hard revolver guy in az, shooting icore, uspsa, steel challenge and most anything else I can find with a revolver I would like to add into this a bit. I shoot a 627-4 in super as my main gun and by far my favorite. I have shot uspsa matches with a 625. I enjoy the 625, I enjoy the matches. I don't enjoy 30+ round stages that are mainly set up with 7-8 shot shooting areas with a 625. having to do a standing reload in every shooting box takes away the fun, the flow, the feeling of shooting well.... for me at least. having constant standing reloads just takes the wind out of the sails. I don't care about how it stacks against autos, limited 10 or anything else as much as it just feels wrong and kinda stupid to have to stand there, in a shooting box or window, and reload. only to take 1 or 2 more shots, then run off and reload again. if I could shot my 8 shot minor in uspsa I would be shooting a lot more uspsa matches and I would want to travel to more area matches. matter of fact I let my uspsa membership expire because I didn't want to shoot area matches with a 625. its just too choppy for me to have fun doing it. now im in a scramble to get a uspsa legal 8 shot gun running so I can go play again. my current 8 shot has ports in the barrel so its not legal in the "new" uspsa rules. I WANT to go shoot uspsa again with a revolver. before I just lost the will. it wasn't fun enough to make it worth my time and effort. not to mention that after shooting 120+ rounds of 45 major loads from a 625, my hands hurt and its hard on the joints. the 8 shot minor has minimal recoil. its cheaper to load and shoot also. 45 bullets are so expensive now. I do think that more people will participate with the 8 shot guns. and I think the die hard 6 shot guys will keep at it and it will motivate them more, now the goal is to kick the 8 shot guys butts with a 6 shot. when I shot 6 shot I hear a lot of comments from other shooters about how hard it must be to reload 7-8-9 times per stage. I like to reload, its fun and gets the heart pumping, but to stand there and reload in every shooting box sucks. uspsa is an 8 shot minimum game. period. they are not going to configure all uspsa matches to meet the wants of 25 people. 8 shot game = 8 shot gun. minimum. I don't see the logic in it any other way. the 6 shot uspsa guys are hard core into it and hats off to them. I don't have the patience to do it. most of our icore club only shoots icore. they don't want to stand and reload. or they shoot 8 shot guns in other classes, just because they enjoy their gun and shooting. they already know they are not going to be real competitive. but uspsa has so many little niche divisions, why not loosen up the revolver rules a little so others may enjoy the sport more often? thank you Scott Shepherd

WHO brought their uncle with a ruger? ------ joke

I have a 5.25" 625 PC. great in theory but doesnt do anything any better than my other 5" 625s. i would part with it due to its lack of use.

THAT stinks!!! i have many apex guns & would like many more......... sad day i guess.

Has anyone had any luck getting revolver work from APEX the last few months??? i have called & emailed but nothing substantial yet. thanks Scott

Rob, i just visited the uspsa rule book. you were indeed correct Sir!! -- USPSA REVO RULES 1 Minimum power factor for Major 165 2 Minimum power factor for Minor 125 3 Minimum bullet weight No 4 Minimum bullet caliber / cartridge case length .38 cal. / 9x19 mm (0.354” x 0.748”) 5 Minimum bullet caliber for Major No 6 Minimum trigger pull No 7 Maximum handgun size No 8 Maximum magazine length Not applicable 9 Maximum ammunition capacity No, maximum of 6 rounds fired before reload THANKS FOR THE LESSON! i must have missed that. i prefer a k or L frame gun cut for clips over a 625 any day! scott shepherd

I have not done much shooting with 6 shot non moon cliped guns but im curious as to what poeple think about recessed cylinders for loading and unloading. is there an advantage or disadvantage to having the recessed cylinder? thank you Scott

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I own one and have never shot it. i keep kicking around the idea of selling it, as i dont sell my guns, i keep adding. i have talked with randy about making it into a steel chalenge gun.........

i have got a 5" 327 JM gun that i would like to sell if your looking. its in perfect condition, fired 3 cylinders. its all stock except an APEX chamfer on the cylinder. PM me if your interested. i can send pics thank you Scott

its a ruger...... and i think thats french for plinker......

Mine are way up from that. I am using a 25 yard zero. I will post up a picture.

230s with 4.7g of solo. Both guns wound up this way.

to post a follow up on this subject. i had to put .410" tall rear sights on both of my 5" 625s to make them hit close to center. with the .360" the guns shot low and i had to crank the elevation up till the sight sat up off the gun. i could see light between the top strap and the tang on the sight. Scott

anyone know if the powder river magazine release is production legal, and if so, to what length is legal? Production legal in USPSA rules, dont much care for idpa or ipsc rules. thank you Scott

leave the hornady fans alone. they have enought frustrations as it stands. ford people like fords, chevy people like chevys, dodge people are nutty. I recall Brian was into datsuns once uppon a time. "Variety is the spice of life"- Dave Menk Scott

I will chime in here, as i have both and shot both. the PC 5" is cool in theory but mine was crap out of the box. it had to go back to smith and is now a safe queen. i got a standard 5" gun and it works. knowing what i do now, i would not have waisted the extra cash on the PC, the stupid box they come in is not worth $300. i have an extra cylinder now and i think i am going to convert the PC gun into a standard cylinder with a 4" barrel so i can shoot some idpa stuff with it. Scott

I have used 125's a lot. they dont group well at 25 and further. there ok for steel stuff, but dont knock down the poppers very well. they have more muzzle flip than the heavy bullets, with power factor being the same between the loads. 170's dont group well out of my 627-4, the 135's seem to work best overall for me.

+1 with what the professor typed!

i quit fighting aginst the uspsa revo rules and got a 625. im happy i can play the game with a revolver still. be glad for what we have, not what we coulda shoulda wouda have. and we Revo shooters get our brass back at the major matches!! another bonus.

the melonite is the finish on the m&p's also, its very tough and holds up well. it can be applied to revolver parts with no problem. i spoke with Jim Rae a while back about getting some parts and cylinder done in it. i think smith may do it in house now. maybe call them and see if they can give you a price on it. hard chrome finishes hold up well on revos also, they can be made in satin, and bright finishes.

The Melonite is what smith used on the 627-4 38 super cylinders and that stuff is tough as nails. i get after it with stainless and bronz brushes and it shows ZERO wear. only places its worn at all is the cylinder stops, but i beat the crap out of the gun. i am goint to send my model 19 cyl out for melonite if its not to crazy $$$. if you get a price on the ion bond, let us konw. i am sure it would work also. Scott

Warren i sent you a PM also. i need a .300" tall, .100" wide pin in front sight for smith revolver with a GREEN fiber rod. going on a smith 625 5". i have all height millet sights, Randy tells me i need a .410" rear and .300" front. maybe you can confirm this?? How can i pay you quickly, as i would like to shoot icore match this weekend with it thank you Scott Shepherd scotty25075@aol.com 480-239-3910