Jack T

Is that Lower Alabama or Los Angeles? See ya there. Jack

Charles the gentleman is refering to a 5.45 X 39 cartridge not a 7.62 X 39. The ballastics on the 5.45 X 39 are more than acceptable. Hope all of you have fun. Regards, Jack T.

No, that has no bearing on the score. I will stop being vague. Is it the last shot fired or can it be another function during the COF. Unless you're looking for an endless circular discussion, you need to provide a specific scenario. I did under another thread (Verbal Stage Description), but no one seemed able to look thru the details to the facts/rules. Jack The facts were that your match didn't close a loophole and the gamers drove a Mack truck through the hole. I respect your history in the sport but you're being a sore loser of an argument you couldn't win. You couldn't win your argument because the rulebook didn't support it. Steve Smith Steve, With all due respect I am not being a sore looser. This is not about me. Again, Here is John Amidons reply. The rule book DOES support it. And you will notice he uses the word "Intent". Jack Hi Jack, It is for exactly this type of reasoning that 3.2.6. and 3.2.6.1 was put into the rules. Unfortunately being a local match, they probably didn’t have a RM to declare this a forbidden action and make them reshoot the stage when the first guy did it. Gamers, they keep me on my toes. J If I were the RO on the stage or for the squad, I would not have let this occurred using the rules I stated above, for even though the WSB was vague, we all know what was the intent of it. John

No, that has no bearing on the score. I will stop being vague. Is it the last shot fired or can it be another function during the COF. Unless you're looking for an endless circular discussion, you need to provide a specific scenario. I did under another thread (Verbal Stage Description), but no one seemed able to look thru the details to the facts/rules. Jack

Disregard, I got the answer from John Amidon and put it under Verbal Stage Description interpretation II Regards, Jack

Disregard. I just got my answer from John Amidon. I did not want to muddy the waters as I did when I asked about the rules with regards to verbal stage descriptions interpretation, which got closed because of my "Rant". IE: making a mandatory reload. I am posting his reply under the same subject title and here. Hi Jack, It is for exactly this type of reasoning that 3.2.6. and 3.2.6.1 was put into the rules. Unfortunately being a local match, they probably didn’t have a RM to declare this a forbidden action and make them reshoot the stage when the first guy did it. Gamers, they keep me on my toes. J If I were the RO on the stage or for the squad, I would not have let this occurred using the rules I stated above, for even though the WSB was vague, we all know what was the intent of it. John

Here is my questions for the Subject Matter Experts. I can not find a written answer in the rule book. For scoring purposes, what defines the end of the stage for the shooter during a course of fire. I am not talking about when is the COF completed, I mean for official scoring. Would really appreciate it if you could inform me what chapter, etc. it is under, if it is fact in the rule book.

This is where my thoughts are. Maybe I am old school and believe we all have a responsibility to our sport to try to maintain its integrity. I feel if we condone this type of sportsmanship we will destroy ourselves from within. Gaming a stage is one thing, but when you know damn good and well you are supposed to make a mandatory reload between the first and last shot fired, but the MD did not think he has to treat you like new shooters and use lawyer speak for the stage description, then we have a problem. Some of you guys can say all you want about flawed stage descriptions, solving the problem, and such, but seriously, we all know when we cross the line between gamemanship and unsportsmanlike conduct. I would at least hope so, or maybe it doesn't matter anymore and this is acceptable to many of us to try and win at any cost. Oh well, whatever floats your boat! Jack

Huh? So? Toss out the stage if match director feels like some shooters shot it in an unintended way. Same stuff happens with appearing targets that are accessible prior to activating the target. Invariably someone figures it out, shoots the weird angle statically, then triggers the mechanism after the last shot (off the clock), Those folks who didn't see the COF shot that way cry foul since they didn't shoot it like that. I don't believe intent ever is a factor in USPSA matches, freestyle is the order of the day. I don't like hearing about this kind of stuff but informal stage briefings seem to always cause this. I know it takes a bit of time to write these things down and people still get mad if the written stage briefing gets gamed, but hopefully matches go better in the future because of these kinds of disputes. I am not talking about one or two shooters here. What infuriated me, is the fact the whole squad shot it like this. Not one of them had the morale conviction to say, "Hey, I am going to check with the MD and see about this." It destroys the integrity of the stage, the match and the integrity of our sport. I am not talking about gaming a stage within the first and last shot fired. I am talking about making a reload after the last shot fired/off the timer. In my humble opinion, and thats all it is, this is not acceptable. I am a Master Class Shooter and have been involved with the sport since 1979. Jack

This question may have been asked in the past, but I am also using this as a means of venting, as I have never been so infuriated at an USPSA match in my 30 years of shooting as I was today. This was a local match in Florida. Stage 6 consisted of 8 paper targets. Verbal stage brief: Hands relaxed at sides, toes touching lines, upon start signal, shoot em as you see em, with a mandatory reload required. (or words to that effect) I see no problem with the intent of the stage, but we had one entire squad shoot the eight targets and then make a mandatory reload after they were finished shooting the targets and say, "I am finished". The reload was/is not on the clock. I was totaly blown away when I heard the entire squad shot it like this. Not one person on that squad had the nads to say, I don't believe that is the intent of the stage, and go clarify it with the Match Director. To me this is a complete lack of character and we loose the integrity of our sport by allowing this to happen. Someone on that squad should have stood up and done the right thing. This is beyond gamming a stage and these were all experienced shooters with years of shooting USPSA/IPSC matches. Of course it is best to have a written stage description, but that is not always possible at the club level. I feel it is our responsibility as fellow shooters to ensure the intregity of the match/sport if we see this hapening. My question, is there an applicable rule in the rulebook that applies to this situation? I am not current on some of the new changes, my being overseas and such. I believe there is a rule about "Intent". Regards, Jack Travers

You go Kurt!! I have been real nice lately since I haven't been stuck in the house because of bad weather. I get testy when I can not go out and Play!! Absolutely, there is nothing we have done on updating a firearm that has not already been done in the past. Just not necessarily to the Saigas. My idea for the magwell originated from a picture of the russian magwell. I just had a better idea on how to mount it to the gun where it could be done at the customer level without the need of a milling machine. Plus, I could not get a Russian Magwell, so I developed my own. Whatever it takes to get faster!! They are a pretty neat platform to play with and a lot of fun to shoot once it is properly tuned. Will be seeing some of you guys at the MGM Ironman. Regards, Jack Travers

The clear mags will last much longer than the black. AGP stopped making them because the polycarbonate material shrinks to the molds and breaks the pins off during the manufacturing process and the material is 12% more expensive to buy. I have sold 4-5000 AGP's with 100-200 black mags being return because they broke. We had Zero Clear mag problems. It is exactly the same with the Surefires. Besides they look cool. Greg Greg, I don't sell mags, I have just been making things out of plastic for most of my life :-) PC is a better material than Nylon (as long as it's a UV stabilized PC), unless it comes in contact with fluorocarbons. If is does, it will be attacked and broken down at the molecular level and fail 100% of the time. So with this scientific fact in mind, knock yourselves out and use whatever you like. If you don't want to use clear magazines then don't. But you are throwing a bad cant on a good product. Gregg is one of the most reputable dealers out there and he has a much better feel for what works and doesn't work as he works directly with the customer and his sales speak clearly of that fact when it comes to the Surefire Clear Magazines. He deals with hundreds of customers and thousands of magazines. The clear magazines are like any other piece of equipment, when they are properly maintained, they have an indefinite life. Yeah salt corrodes metals, but I am not going to leave my weapons unnecessarily exposed, nor am I going to leave my magazines exposed long term to solvents and such. You are talking basic preventive maintenance and taking care of your equipment. Your comments regarding flurocarbons is correct, but what you fail to mention is the fact, not all cleaners, solvents, and oils contain fluorcarbons. Oils like tetra and silicon based lubes do contain flurocarbons. Again, just basic maintenance is all that is required. The clear magazines have a definite purpose for the game we play. If you want to reverse load for a stage that is mixed for shot/slugs/shot and or buck, it is hard to beat a clear magazine to verify you have loaded correctly. Shoot me head to head and I will spank you with my "Clear" magazines. Yeah, that is a challenge!! Regards, Jack Travers JT Engineering

We have developed a US made Silicon Spring Steel Mainspring replacement for all Saiga shotguns and AK varients. The spring is reduced 25% in power to aid in enhanced cycling of the weapon system, smoother/lighter trigger pull and the spring is very easy to tune to the particular weapons platform or as customer needs dictate. It will NOT fall off the trigger legs like the original spring. Average trigger pull comes out to 2 1/2 pounds. You can adjust trigger pull up or down up to 1/2 pounds either way by bending the "U" at the contact point with the hammer. The spring is available exclusively from Carolina Shooters Supply or Millennium Custom. carolinashooterssupply.com or mcguns.com This mainspring will fit ALL AK receivers as it is a direct replacement for the Russian tri-wound spring. Probably the most cost effective addition you can make to your shotgun or rifle. Like adding a spring kit to a revolver. Regards, Jack Travers JT Engineering 561-317-9096

I mix up the mags, but the Surefire's are the best and the service from Carolina Shooters is exceptional. They are the only distributor that has the Clear Surefires. Regards, Jack

Absolutely, I have built every version off the same platform. If anything, it will be tight and allow you to remove some material off the back of the magwell. Every gun I tested on so far, that was fitted for an earlier design, either fit dead on, or was just a little tight (good thing!) and I could relieve the back of the magwell. Regards, Jack

Trapr, Hell, we are all in this together. To me, the sport and advancement of 3 gun/multigun comes first. I don't get too excited about the details. Best to you, Jack

Actually there is a lot to improve. First off the average customer CAN NOT buy a russian magwell on the common market. Mine is alluminum, not plastic and the aluminum magwell is very easy to install compared to the Russian. The aluminum magwell may be installed with common hand tools. I designed the original US magwell currently in production and have been updating it over the past year. They were sold out of Millennium Custom down in Florida. I have a final production prototype which I just finished on Friday. We will start a production run on Wednesday (Ihope). I gave Rob from R & R permission to remanufacture the Magwells as long as I was given credit. I do not know if that is the case, as I have not been on his website. This magwell is designed primarily for the Surefire magazines, but all mags will work with it. Very cost effective and easy to install. The picture is the current prototype. The flare will be thicker on the production model and a deeper interior flare. Regards, Jack Travers JT Engineering

Carolina Shooters Supply carries all the performance Saiga 12 accessories for competition that I have designed/manufactured, to include the magwell, sliding safety, reduced power mainspring and the extended CNC machined magazine releases. Please note, the sliding safety requires machining of the receiver and drilling ball detents into the receiver. It can not be installed with regular hand tools. I am currently designing a new magwell which will eliminate all the current probems we have with plastic magazines and the magazines dropping out during recoil. Sometimes this is also the fault of an undersized/misaligned magazine release which will cause wear to the lug on the magazine and cause it to drop out after it wears down a little. The new CNC extended magrelease takes care of that issue. The new magwell will work with AGPs, Surefires, and the Pro Mags with minium modification to the magazines. Should be available in about 30 days. If you want a sliding safety in your Saiga 12, contact me directly for pricing etc. I do all the machine work at Millennium Custom in West Palm Beach, Florida. Regards, Jack Travers JT Engineering 561-317-9096 Millennium Custom West Palm Beach, FL

Yes Ma'am. Jack

What does it matter if there is a 60 sec penalty for every non-A or 0-down hit? If everyone is subject to the same rules and scoring it seems to be a moot point.... If your interpritation of the scoring makes you feel that you will need to ensure yourself of all good hits then might this exercise not improve you as a shooter/competitor...? Ken, If a shooter does not have the visual patience or the ability to shoot points/As during a match, do you honestly think changing the rules is now going to make him a better shooter? It starts long before the match, the match is a test of those skills. No matter how the rules change, the order of finish will stay the same. The best shooters will always finish at the top. More rules are just more rules. Should have tried this new system at some local matches and work out the glitches before implementing it into a major match. Just made scoring it a nightmare for the stats person. Puting out applications, taking competitiors money and then changing the rules is not forward thinking. Implementing these changes BEFORE the applications were sent out would be considered forward thinking. I really wanted to shoot this match, but had prior comittments. Doesn't bother me now that I can't make it. Irregardless, best intentions aside, you guys (shooters) are still the best people in the world!! Have fun, shoot fast and straight, that's what it is supposed to be all about anyway. Guess I'll see some of your sorry asses at the MGM Iron Man. Regards, Jack Travers SFC, US Army (Ret) 5th SFG(A)

Jack Is that safety drop in part or does it need some work to do when installed to Saiga? Taisto, You would need to machine a .187 wide slot, .650 in length in the receiver and then machine two ball detent visual indicatiors and two ball detent stops/locks. Not hard at all if you have access to a mill or a drill press with a compound slide. Jack Jack, I've sent a PM. I'd like to chat in greater detail about the modifications you offer on the Saiga 12. The pictures look like you do some great work. Thanks. Damien Well, I cannot ship my Saiga or Molot to USA for the modification. I just need the part. No problem, I will take care of it. I will get up with Kurt and find out when he is headed you way and get the parts to you. Jack

Jack Is that safety drop in part or does it need some work to do when installed to Saiga? Taisto, You would need to machine a .187 wide slot, .650 in length in the receiver and then machine two ball detent visual indicators and two ball detent stops/locks. Not hard at all if you have access to a mill or a drill press with a compound slide. Jack

Here is the left side of the receiver with the safety. Jack

Here is Aldo's (Al Zita, ZM Weapons) Open Division Saiga 12 in the white. Will take it out tomorrow and put 100 shells thru it and make sure it is tuned and runs like a sewing machine before I finalize it and send it out for Mil Spec Parkerizing. Aldo is left handed so the safety is on the left side and the right side of the receiver is now slick. The gun balances out pretty good with the muzzle brake he wanted. It is cut back to 18" and silver soldered on. Here is the Slick Side. Next post will be the left side (Safety) Jack

Augie, I'll give you a call when I get my head above water. I am trying to finalize all the prototype parts and get them out. Jack