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my gun is not chambered in 3.5 or I would.
Thanks for all the good info.
I spun the close ones in one shot with 3" shots from my Benelli, IM choke. Just find some nice 2 oz shots and you'll be fine.
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Just to clarify - if you're not part of the pre-selected "Elite 64", then you're destined to watch from the bench during shootoffs, regardless of your match performance - is this right?
If my understanding is correct, I fear this "Professionalization" of our sport will widen the gap between the top 10% "Pros" and the other 90%. One of the things I love about 3-Gun is that average guys can mingle and shoot with the very best on the planet - I hope this doesn't change as more money is pumped into the upper crust of the sport.
AFAIK, for this season yes.
For next season there will be some open-for-all qualification event, where the lowest performers of the 64 would have to battle it out to keep their spots.
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That's what I'm seeing too. The "Pro's" or anybody wishing to become a "Pro" will shoot TO at LaRue, ProAm, and
No need to shoot TO at those matches to shoot the Pro Tour in 2013
For 2013 there will be a qualification event, not a point series, for new shooters as well as old ones not making the cut...
Where you finish in those three matches will only matter if youre already in the 64, for everyone else it does not.
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Probably to avoid that concern and not give the top 64 an unfair advantage with matches the rest of us can't get into. I actually think it's a pretty good way of doing it.
I was thinking of Texas MG, FN and ProAm, not the other two matches.
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If you want to win both the divisional series and make it into the shoot-off finale you'll have quite a few matches in front of you
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But the Divisional series is open to anyone. Feel free to have at that. And the Invitational matches aren't part of that.
Hornady will award $5,000 for the overall points winner of the following divisions: Open, Tactical Optics, Tactical Iron, Heavy Metal and Heavy Metal Optics. 3GN Divisional Points will be awarded at the following 3GN divisional matches: Superstition Mountain Mystery 3-Gun, Rocky Mountain 3-Gun, CMMG Midwest 3-Gun, MGM Ironman, Leupold & Warne Northwest Multigun Challenge, Adams Arms Ozark 3-Gun, Blue Ridge Mountain 3-Gun.
Interesting that the matches included in the Pro tour are NOT included in the divisional series matches...
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Will be interesting to see more info once it is posted on 3GN. To be honest I see some great advancements into the format and layout from last year and I also see some bad in it.
I dont understand what the purpose of running a invitational only 64 shooter eventis for and by doing so gives the top 64 2 more chances to earn more points in a already tough series over everyone.
As stated the new shooters or guys just on the cusp are kicked back to the curb.
Once more, unless you were in the top 64 in 2011 you can NOT qualify for the 2012 3GN shoot-off finale in Vegas OR get into any of the other shoot-offs held after the qualifying host matches (LaRue, FN, Texas MG).
3 Gun Nation 2012 is for the 64 invited shooters ONLY and those are thr only ones eligible to make it into any shoot-offs.
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Am I reading this wrong or does it sound like 3GN will be deciding who the Elite 64 shooters are for 2012 and 2013.
How do you break into the series if you have the time and money now you didn't have in 2011 to make a showing.
Based on the other thread in the rules forum, it sounds like they sent emails to the top 64 overall from last season.
Yeah, if you didnt place in the top 100 or so last season, youre probably SOL for 2012, but sounds like there will be some qualification events for 2013.
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But thats just for the division championships... To qualify for the 3GN shoot-off finale you have to shoot the two mandatory matches and one of LaRue, ProAm or FNH.
All other matches have no bearing for any shoot-offs, only for the $5k divisional prizes...
That would suck! Get into the top 64 ast year but miss registration for the other matches to get into the finale. LOL!!! Sounds like I will ahve to recruit an army to get me into the timed event at ProAm registration again.
Im assuming they will have 64 slots at the FNH match so that the "Pros" at least are guaranteed to get their three matches, I doubt LaRue or ProAm will do the same so managing to get into those two matches will definitely be beneficial.
I wonder what this will do to participation for SMM3G and Iron Man, since a lot of the top 64 were probably planning on shooting both those two matches, but the first 3GN match is the weekend after SMM3G and the second match the weekend after Iron Man...
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3GN Pro # 1 – St. Augustine, FL, presented by Stag Arms
3GN Pro # 3 – Covington, GA, presented by Stag Arms
So if you don't get into both of these matches you are done-done.
Registration for the first match should be interesting.
David E.
It won't be interesting. You have to be invited. The only thing that will be interesting is if they can't find 64 shooters to shoot. But I doubt that will happen. I am really excited about the one day format. Fly in Friday after work. Shoot Saturday and fly home Saturday night or Sunday morning.
What will be interesting is that 3 of the point series matches are already full and now there is no way to get in them. Hell one of them is capped at 125 shooters. I guess with Leupold as a match sponsor and it being on the west coast it got included to make certain folks happy???
But thats just for the division championships... To qualify for the 3GN shoot-off finale you have to shoot the two mandatory matches and one of LaRue, ProAm or FNH.
All other matches have no bearing for any shoot-offs, only for the $5k divisional prizes...So, the NW MG match will give you points to win the end-of-the-year $5k division prize, but its useless for anything else related to 3GN
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3GN Pro # 1 – St. Augustine, FL, presented by Stag Arms
3GN Pro # 3 – Covington, GA, presented by Stag Arms
So if you don't get into both of these matches you are done-done.
Registration for the first match should be interesting.
David E.
They have 64 slots to each match and its by invitation only, so if you didnt get an invitation to the matches you cant get in.
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Great investment in those open shotguns...
Hey, I'm gonna shoot Open this year
I'll buy your gear cheap!
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This just in...
The 3-Gun Nation Pro Series is an exciting new points series format, designed specifically for the best 3-gunners in the game.
The 3GN Pro Series will comprise two (2) 3GN-produced matches:
3GN Pro # 1 – St. Augustine, FL, presented by Stag Arms
3GN Pro # 3 – Covington, GA, presented by Stag Arms
The 3GN Pro Series will comprise two (2) 3GN-affiliated or "host" matches:
3GN Pro # 2 – Larue Tactical Texas Multi-Gun Championships
3GN Pro # 4 – AR15.com-Rockcastle Pro-Am
The 3GN Pro Series will comprise one (1) 3GN-point series finale match:
3GN Pro # 5 – FNH USA 3-Gun Championship
As a 3GN Pro, it will be MANDATORY* to compete in the two (2)
3GN-produced matches:
3GN Pro # 1 – St. Augustine, FL, presented by Stag Arms
March 31, 2012 – Ancient City Shooters Club, Jacksonville, FL
3GN Pro # 3 – Covington, GA, presented by Stag Arms
June 16, 2012 – South River Gun Club, Covington, GA
Your third (3rd) series match (mandatory for 3GN Championship qualification) can come from one (1) of the three (3) following matches:
1. The Larue Tactical Texas Multi-Gun – OR –
2. The AR15.com / Rockcastle Pro-Am – OR –
3. FNH USA 3-Gun Championships
If you choose to shoot all five (5) 3GN Pro Series matches, then the best three (3) scores will be used for overall 3GN Pro Series points. The three (3) scores will determine entry into the 3GN Pro Series Championship — held in conjunction with SHOT Show in Las Vegas, January 2013. The top 30 competitors, based on series points, will advance to the Las Vegas 3-Gun Nation Championship shoot-off Finale. Shooters will be seeded based on overall points. Top 2 shooters will receive a first round bye.
3GN PRO SERIES FORMAT
The two (2) 3GN-produced matches will introduce a professional 3-gun format designed specifically for the top-level 3-gun competitor. It features a one-day, six-stage match format that will be the proving ground for the entire 2013 3GN Tour – as all 2013 3GN Pro Series matches will be produced by 3GN. The rules system will be simplified, and targets will be standardized for professional-level competition and a national audience.
Each 2012 Pro Series match will feature an elite, 64-man field. From here forward all 3-Gun Nation Pro Series events will be Tactical Optics only.
The two (2) 3GN "host" matches for 2012 will be similar to previous 3GN partnered matches, with points collected based on overall match finish – and the top 8 Pro Series Tactical Optics competitors advancing to the 3GN Shoot-Off.
Only 3GN Pro Series (Tactical Optics) competitors will be eligible for 3GN Points, 3GN Shoot-Offs and 3GN cash payouts.
In addition, Pro-Series competitors will be allowed to use their own Tactical Optics equipment and ammunitition in the 3GN Shoot-offs, ommitting the final round – of which sponsor products will be used.
Cash payouts at all 3GN events, both 3GN-affiliated and 3GN-produced, will increase in 2012, with a guaranteed $10,000 cash going to the top three competitors: $5,000 for first place, $3,000 for second place, and $2,000 for third place. Each 3GN-produced Pro Series match will feature a 100% cash payback system based on paid entry fees.
At each (non) 3GN-produced match, a $25 administration fee will be assessed to 3GN Pro Series competitors.
3GN DIVISIONAL SERIES presented by Hornady
Registration as a 3GN Pro also allows you to compete in the 3GN Divisional Series, presented by Hornady. Similar to the 2011 season, Hornady will award $5,000 for the overall points winner of the following divisions: Open, Tactical Optics, Tactical Iron, Heavy Metal and Heavy Metal Optics. 3GN Divisional Points will be awarded at the following 3GN divisional matches: Superstition Mountain Mystery 3-Gun, Rocky Mountain 3-Gun, CMMG Midwest 3-Gun, MGM Ironman, Leupold & Warne Northwest Multigun Challenge, Adams Arms Ozark 3-Gun, Blue Ridge Mountain 3-Gun.
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A comparison to Top Shot is unfair though. TS gets to set up every event for max TV appeal. 3GN has to do it at an existing match.
I'd say its more a question about money rather than being fair... What's stopping 3GN from building their own stages or even matches?
Is the current format with giving out points at a bunch of random matches the way to go if they want to grow the show as well as bring in new shooters and sponsors?
How about something like 10 (or 6, or 4, Im just throwing numbers out there) qualifying mini matches with 3-4 stages spread out around the country, all specifically built for good TV. Each match ends with a shoot-off where the top 4 or so go on to the finals in Vegas, or you get points and the guys with the most points at the end of the season goes to the final shoot-off.
Using just one division would also take away all the problems with the various scoring/grading systems used in the last couple of years, and since the matches are decoupled from the "regular" matches, people can still continue to shoot their favorite matches in their favorite division...
A "tour" like that would definitely have the potential of looking more professional as well as giving them the possibility of making really good TV. It would also disconnect 3GN from the "regular" matches, which might be a good (or a bad) thing. Having one day matches would also make it easier for people to get in and out in a weekend. It could still be set up over a weekend with side matches, vendor tents etc etc...
LOL, guess I wasnt too far off
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Leupold gives popo discount.
So does Swarovski...
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One of the problems with the format using "pickup" guns is they get tossed around a little by each competitor. Not so much an issue with the pistols or shotguns but surely with the scoped rifles. Wish I could think of a solution to the problem.
How about simply finishing with the rifle?
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It is a violation of the USPSA's rules to hold a USPSA match and then not allow a card carrying member to shoot there, subject to some very narrow exceptions with the permission of NHQ.
In other words, if you want to have a "members only" club, don't hold USPSA matches.
We have a local club that holds "USPSA-style" and "IDPA-style" matches just because of that...
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I don't know if I saw incorrectly, but after everyone on the right side got eliminated and Mike had a re-shoot, didn't they make adjustments on the scopes? Shouldn't that be a re-shoot for all the previous competitors?
Did anyone film the event, or was there a no cameras policy?
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Man I wish this was streaming live. I would even do a PPV to watch.
The winner could be any of them. It's all about who puts it all together while in the pressure cooker.......Being from MN, I'm going to have to root for Tyler.
In the absence of 3GN doing it, I'm surprised no one else did it. Its not like 3GN is going to be able to keep it a secret until it airs anyway
I know I would have forked over some cash to watch it in a second. Talk about all the instant publicity you get too. Tie it in with all the vendors that support 3-gun at the shot show. That could have been awesome.....maybe next year.
I'll set it up next year if you pay for my flight to Vegas
Pretty good chance I'll be there myself next year. I had to pass on my chance to go to the show this year as the wife is about 8 1/2 months pregnant. She's usually pretty cool about my shooting addiction, but that one would not have gone well
Hah, mine's due on Monday
Congrats!
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Man I wish this was streaming live. I would even do a PPV to watch.
The winner could be any of them. It's all about who puts it all together while in the pressure cooker.......Being from MN, I'm going to have to root for Tyler.
In the absence of 3GN doing it, I'm surprised no one else did it. Its not like 3GN is going to be able to keep it a secret until it airs anyway
I know I would have forked over some cash to watch it in a second. Talk about all the instant publicity you get too. Tie it in with all the vendors that support 3-gun at the shot show. That could have been awesome.....maybe next year.
I'll set it up next year if you pay for my flight to Vegas
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Well?
Shoot-off starts at 7.30, so another 3.5h...
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A comparison to Top Shot is unfair though. TS gets to set up every event for max TV appeal. 3GN has to do it at an existing match.
I'd say its more a question about money rather than being fair... What's stopping 3GN from building their own stages or even matches?
Is the current format with giving out points at a bunch of random matches the way to go if they want to grow the show as well as bring in new shooters and sponsors?
How about something like 10 (or 6, or 4, Im just throwing numbers out there) qualifying mini matches with 3-4 stages spread out around the country, all specifically built for good TV. Each match ends with a shoot-off where the top 4 or so go on to the finals in Vegas, or you get points and the guys with the most points at the end of the season goes to the final shoot-off.
Using just one division would also take away all the problems with the various scoring/grading systems used in the last couple of years, and since the matches are decoupled from the "regular" matches, people can still continue to shoot their favorite matches in their favorite division...
A "tour" like that would definitely have the potential of looking more professional as well as giving them the possibility of making really good TV. It would also disconnect 3GN from the "regular" matches, which might be a good (or a bad) thing. Having one day matches would also make it easier for people to get in and out in a weekend. It could still be set up over a weekend with side matches, vendor tents etc etc...
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Which would be no fault of mine.
Recent cases suggest that "fault" is not an element of the offense.
I assume youre referring to the Olofson case, which is the only one I know of...
Unless he also modifies the bolt, makes the selector switch go to the third position and then tries to sell it as a machine gun, he should be fine.
Olofson's gun was a malfunctioning machinegun, not a malfunctioning semi-auto.
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Man I wish this was streaming live. I would even do a PPV to watch.
The winner could be any of them. It's all about who puts it all together while in the pressure cooker.......Being from MN, I'm going to have to root for Tyler.
In the absence of 3GN doing it, I'm surprised no one else did it. Its not like 3GN is going to be able to keep it a secret until it airs anyway
3 Gun Nation Tour 2012
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Especially since the 9 matches were fairly dispersed geographically. Now 3GN seems to be an east coast thing, so my guess is the qualifying match will be somewhere out east as well, though, with one match only, it will favor local shooters no matter where it takes place.
A few (3?) qualifying matches spread out across the country with a final qualifier somewhere, or just taking the top ones from each match, would be more fair, but add a substantial amount of work. Like said before, the main charter of 3GN is not to be fair and equal, its to produce a good show and to make money.
Personally I'm going to pass on the tour for 2012, I'm not going to have time to practice as much as I need to justify racking up $2500 in travel and entry fees for two 1-day matches. I also hadnt really planned on shooting any of the three host matches, so I'll just shoot the major matches I was planning on shooting and let the 3GN guys get a year to sort out the quirks...
My guess is that 3GN will have to go way deeper than the top 100 finishers to get their top 64
Good luck to everyone who decides to participate!