MHicks

After looking at the squad assignments I was wondering. Why are there so many shooters that are unclassified? I might be wrong but when I've looked at various action shooting sport major match results I don't think I've seen nearly as many unclassified shooters. In fact don't some of them require that you have a current classification to shoot a major sanctioned match? I know IDPA requires that you have shot a classifier within the last year, except for Master level shooters. thanks, Mark

I use the Missouri bullets 200 gr lswc bullets in my Springfield 45. I've had no problems with them functioning when shooting. The only problem I have had is when I unload and show clear at the end of a stage, sometimes when I drop the partially loaded mag from the gun and rack the slide, the loaded round will get stuck and be difficult to eject. The ammo is loaded at no longer then 1.25" and from everything I have heard I shouldn't have a problem. Have any of you found you need to open the port a tiny bit more to prevent this from happening. Is this common? I have tried to make the overall length as short as possible, but with the variation in some case lengths I can't really load much shorter. thanks, Mark

Yes, I also shoot IDPA and had just shot a match last weekend. I've been shooting IDPA, USPSA and ICORE matches the last few months. Haven't had any problems, except of course for this last one. Well, actually I did drop a partially loaded mag on the ground at my last IDPA match, but picked it back up fairly quickly. Mark

I shot the South West ICORE Regional in San Luis Obispo this weekend. We walked through one stage and between taping targets and resetting some movers saw the stage several times. Fault lines clearly marked by walls or red painted two by fours on the ground. Moving through the stage I was happy with how it was going. Move down the last hallway to shoot the last three targets including one swinger. Shot the swinger and other two targets as planned. EXCEPT when it was pointed out that I was standing over the fault line, for all six shots. I don't know how but it just never registered in my brain that there was a fault line at that point. Of course, it was right there in plain view, painted red, still didn't get my attention. 6, 5 second procedurals. That knocked me down the list a ways. I think I learned something though. It was the next to last stage and I was happy that I shot very well on the next(last)stage and didn't let it get me down. Mark

If you get a chance shoot some steel challenge type stages.

Getting some work done on a 586. The only restrictions I see for Classic revolvers, other than the restrictions for a limited gun that would move it to open, is 6 shot only, and must use speedloaders. I'm checking to see that removing the hammer spur is legal. Also, this model has the hammer mounted firing pin. Does that enter into the decision to have the hammer bobbed? This will be getting the action work to use well seated Federal primers. Anyone have any other comments? I already have a 686SSR that's had the same work, but the hammer was left intact. thanks, Mark

Occasionally a stage will have you load a sixth round into your revolver or an extra round into your rifle after the start in CAS matches. Also, if you jack out a live round with your levergun, you can reload to avoid the miss. I don't think that even before two revolvers were the norm that the Schofields were ever that popular. Mark

"The Classic cowboy and Frontier Plainsman categories both require period ammo, firearms, and clothing. And they do have a power factor minimum and maximum. B-western category requires conchos and popular TV and Movie firearms like the 1887 lever action 12ga, like schwartzy in term2." Classic Cowboy and Plainsman do have caliber restrictions (40 cal and above for Classic) but they don't have a higher minimum power factor. There is no maximum power factor, only a maximum fps, and they have the same minimum power factor requirement. One thing that alway strikes me as funny is that if you shoot a 45 Colt with 250 gr bullet at 850fps, 150 fps under the maximum allowed, some people will complain that you will ruin their targets. But they wlll turn around and use the same targets in a plainsman match with guys shooting 45-70's and not assume that the same targets will be damaged.

As far as cowboy (SASS) shooting, I've done it for over 10 years. For me the main attraction was shooting big bore cowboy revolvers and throwing a good sized chunk of lead downrange, as opposed to plinking with 22's. After a couple of matches, I started shooting black powder. Started with a sub-bp and quickly changed to all real black poweder, 44 specials or russians in the handguns (one handed, duelist style) and a 44-40 rifle. The same 200 gr. bullet in both. When I shoot my 45, it's with 250 gr. bullets. I decided I wanted to shoot what I would enjoy shooting, calibers and loads, and then try to be as competitive with them as I could. The other way to go would be to decide what guns, calibers and loads would allow you to be most competitive. The top shooters are generally not shooting the extreme light loads, but not heavy loads either. Now, I've cut down on the cowboy matches and shoot IDPA, USPSA and ICORE. But I enjoy all of them. I do like shooting double action revolvers and will eventually try it in USPSA but I'll leave the single action revolvers to my cowboy shooting. The same goes with my 1911's. They now have Wild BUnch side matches in SASS that use 1911's. But the way they are used doesn't interest me. I'd rather shoot them in the modern gun games. Mark

Our IDPA club announced that they were going to start an ICORE club at our range. I didn't have a revolver, other than a 44 special snubnose, and decided I'd get one. Of course I could already have competed in IDPA with one, but I have so far to improve with my semi autos that I didn't think I'd ever get around to shooting a revolver in IDPA. I got all my gear, 686SSR, pouches, speedloaders, holster and started shooting. I did not anticipate how much I would enjoy competing with a revolver. I love it. And then they came up with the Retro(now Classic) ICORE category to make it even better. Anyway I love it. Mark

Cigar guy. Most SASS matches will only have a couple of stand and deliver type stages. Even in regular matches you usually move between target arrays. Are you refering to Western 3 Gun as one of the newer types of cowboy shooting? In W3G you do shoot more on the move, a few rifle targets together, and as you move downrange you will shoot more rifle targets to your left and right. All the rifle targets won't be visible from one spot. The same is true with the revolver and shotgun targets. Also, the W3G targets have a center knockout in them. A hit anywhere on the target counts and if you knockdown the center you get a -1 second bonus. Clubs without the center knockout targets sometimes use IDPA targets with the center scoring area counting as the bonus. SASS Wild Bunch is supposed to be eventually stand alone, seperate matches from the regular SASS cowboy match. Some clubs are running them at the same time along with the regular cowboy match, but that is not the norm. Usually they are a side match seperate from the main match. I shoot 1911's in IDPA and USPSA and just have my fun shooting them there. I shoot the regular cowboy matches along with other side matches when they have them. Mark (Smokin Gator)

I know they have been having ICORE matches at the end of the month in Richmond. Looked on the website and could not find one scheduled this month on the 27th. Is there a match or are they having to skip the March match. thanks, Mark

Thanks for the help. I'm not having any problems with my current gun, but figure I might as well get a second one for a backup, just in case. Plus, who knows if I get something different I might like it better. I'm not in a hurry, but will get something when I run across the right one. Bones, it was great watching you shoot Retro at the IRC. thanks, Mark

I went ahead last year and got a 4" S & W 686SSR to shoot in ICORE Retro and for it to also be legal in IDPA. I'm eventually going to get another revolver set up for strictly ICORE (still in Retro) and was wondering what seems to be the more popular models and barrel lengths. I was thinking of looking for a 6" 586 but haven't really tried any other models, K frames or other options. Thanks for any input. Mark

Anyone know what time they will be shooting the classifier stages on Thursday at the IRC? Also, What is the Friday, Saturday schedule like? My first time and trying to make plans for visiting family when I'm there. Thanks, Mark

jmorris, on 19 May 2010 - 09:47 AM, said: If you really want to split hairs USPSA should DQ everyone after they unload, show clear and reholster. 10.5.11.1 A single action self-loading pistol with the safety not applied. That doesnt differentiate between loaded or unloaded. I guess you missed the reference that comes just before the above stating that it applies to loaded guns. (10.5.11) Holstering a loaded gun in any of the following conditions. Mark

At a big match with the courses of fire at the IRC, how many speedloaders do you need to be able to carry to get through the highest round count stages? Retro division. I will be going for the first time, not having a bunch of experience shooting ICORE and want to make sure I'll be set up. My local IDPA club started having ICORE matches last year and those are the only ones I've shot in. thanks, Mark

I've just shot in a few ICORE matches at our local club. We will be starting up again in the spring. I used the grips that came with the gun. Who are some popular grip makers and which of their styles seem to be the most popular for shooting revolver matches. My gun is getting some action work done on it right now, I'm wanting to get set up for next years. thanks, Mark

I've shot in cowboy action matches for about 9 years. Just about 2 years of IDPA and now have a few matches under my belt in ICORE. I plan on trying USPSA next. I'll be going to my first sanctioned IDPA match (Ca. State) in October. I go out shooting with some of the guys I know at work and I know that some are interested in trying some competition. I think a lot of shooters are missing out on a lot of fun because they are nervous about getting out in front of other shooters and seeing how they compare. It's easy to think that you need to practice more before you get out there, but I tell them to come on out, in a few months you won't be the new guy anymore. I did get one guy to come out. He had a great time but his work schedule changed and he had to put it on the back burner for the time being. Mark

Hi everybody. I just got off the phone with the main man at the club. He said that he had done some checking and they determined that there was nothing in the rules saying the CZ75B or other guns with no decocker can't be used hammer down in SSP. He just said to be careful as I was risking a DQ. Also, to let the RO know what I was going to do ahead of time. We talked about this and some other topics I've seen discussed here. He said he won't be there this month, but that he was going to contact the other officers at the club and let them know that what I wanted to do was legal. So, it worked out ok. thanks for all the replies. Mark

Thanks guys. Being new to IDPA when I had seen this topic discussed it sounded like it had been questionable in the past, but that by now local clubs should be aware that this is ok. I'll talk to them at the local club and see what happens.

Hi. I revived this thread because I attempted to use my CZ75B 9mm to shoot SSP at a local IDPA match today. This is not intended to bash these guys or the club, I had a great time. Using the information that I received last year on this thread asking about being able to lower the hammer on a gun without a decocker to shoot SSP, being IDPA legal, I got the CZ. I shot a few matches at this club at the end of last year shooting the same gun using the safety in ESP. I thought I'd just shoot a couple of matches and try to show that I am a safe shooter. Anyway today they told me that they didn't think that it was legal, that I had to have a gun with a decocker so I finished the match shooting ESP. I also said that I was aware that I was taking a risk of being DQ'd if I managed to have a negligent discharge. Is there somewhere that specifically lists the CZ75B, with the need to actually manually lower the hammer, as IDPA legal for SSP. If I'm correct how can I show them? In talking to the RO about the situation, I said that I was aware that in some of the shooting sports that although something may be legal in the sport, that a range might have a rule that forbids a particular practice. Thanks,

Thanks. I have looked through the rulebook quite a bit. I had read that you are allowed to do trigger/action work, but didn't see anywhere that actually listed a limit. I know some shooting sports will have some other guidelines other than the actual rulebook that will define some things. Of course it wouldn't make any sense to get to the point of not being reliable. Mark

I just bought a CZ75B. Also went to a nearby IDPA match and got to see how things went and talk to some shooters. I really need to get some trigger work done. With the CZ I figure I'll be shooting primarily SSP and maybe som ESP. Are there any actual legal limits to what the trigger pull must be? I have been checking around and can get and approx, 8lb dble/3.5lb single or a 6.5-7 lb dbl with 2lb single action trigger pull. I can swing it, but any of you have any input on the subject? thanks, Mark

First, I have not shot IDPA yet. I've been checking out the IDPA website and other places like this to pick up information. Please, correct me if I'm wrong or have information that is out of date. I thought that you weren't supposed to put extra rounds on a target to get to slide-lock purposely. If it happens sometimes, ok, but that you weren't supposed to do it all the time on a continuous basis. thanks, MH