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I mean, it's $150, but don't forget to factor in the $30+ in shipping. So really, about $185. Still worth every cent if you ask me. I like the brass chute net too because it shakes out a lot of the dirt and rocks that get funneled into the tarp and my bucket when I would do that. A dumb, nitpicky thing, but it's nice not having to worry about picking rocks and other trash out of my brass when I'm loading it up for cleaning. A lot of dumb kids bringing bottles out and shooting them where I'm at too, so I've been nicked a couple times by glass. Luckily, I didn't contract any diseases.. yet lol.

I’d recommend you just go buy some large moving blankets for $5-$10 then if you’re considering that. Roughly the same size, and since they’re a bit heavier they don’t flop in the wind as much as a tarp would. The brass chute really is a luxury more than anything. Similar to the paster gun, it’s not necessary when you shoot, but it’ll allow you to focus more on shooting and less on menial things. Again, some people really couldn’t care less, but to me it’s essentially buying back my own time. Let’s say it’s ~15 minutes saved each session, and I go out shooting 1-2 times a week. In just a month I’ve saved roughly 1-2 hours of brass picking time in my already-tight schedule. In a year, up to 24 hours; a whole day! Couple that with the time saved with the paster gun and I don’t question my investments one bit. Just depends on if you find the same value for the price you pay.

Back here with an update (now that it's been a couple months). So, all I can say is that it does exactly what it's made to do lol. It's SO much nicer not having to scoop brass from a tarp or pick them from the ground. With the CED brass chute, I'm getting at least 90% of my brass straight into my collection bucket. The only times I don't get my brass on the net is when I move too far away (duh) or am swinging some wide transitions where the brass is landing more to my front than it is to the right. Still, they tend to land in the same spot in such cases and picking 20-30 pieces and throwing them into the net is still easier than picking up brass from a whole session. The only downsides to this catcher are mainly issues with where I'm using it. Lately, it's been quite a bit windy where I've gone shooting, and the net still tends to catch in the wind pretty well despite being somewhat open. I'd say you're good with just setting it up to about 10-15mph winds before needing to either weigh or stake it down. Another issue I've had, though a very minor one, is that dust does get caught inside the tubing when collapsing/expanding. It hasn't gotten to the point where I couldn't push or pull it out, but it is a bit of a nuisance. Fortunately, you can just pull the legs all the way out and blow out the inside if you really needed to. Aside from those things, I'd highly recommend just getting the thing to improve your quality of practice time out on the range. Obviously, this is less useful if you're doing movement drills, but you can still at least get the brass from one of your shooting positions, which saves some time in the long run. Here's a quick time lapse of disassembly, for reference. Size is decent when packed up as well. I can either lay it in the back of my jeep, or across the leg room in the backseat. With a car, I'd imagine you'd need to lay down some of the seats, but it would still fit most cars with ease. Let me know if you guys have any specific questions about it.

Lol, the reason for f*#king with the mags in the first place was because they wouldn't feed anything using the CZC basepads and followers. You'd think for the $3400 you spend on the gun they'd at least include some 170mm/140mm mags in the box instead of requiring aftermarket followers and basepads smh. Maybe you got lucky with a good set of mags, but even just looking at these it's obvious they're way off if you're not using everything stock.

I'd come across this before and that's the point I'm at where I've spent way too many hours trying to get these right. I wish I would've just sent them in sooner for tuning though lol. I'm really just looking at selling my Czechmate now and getting either a Limcat (they're local to me so they can work on it easily) or an Atlas. Might still get the mags tuned for the next buyer, but we'll see.

I’m using RMR’s JHPs, and though they do have a bit longer ogive than some others, I don’t think they’re the root of the cause. Anyone else had issues using them before?

Using the CZC spring and follower sets, but looks like I'll be switching to Grams here now. Since I'm running 9Major in the CM I'm loading out to 1.165", which is why the feed issues are so prone to happening.

Good info here for others maybe, but I've got my release in the original left-sided configuration. It's definitely mag tuning issues with the rounds not feeding properly regardless of spring tension or number rounds loaded.

Thank you. This is exactly what I was hoping to find out, but I wasn't sure if Grams did CZ mags as well. What's the price per mag? I'd imagine I just ship to them and they take care of the rest?

Hey all, So I got my Czechmate just over a month ago now and have spent probably around 8-10 hours trying to get the damn magazines to function properly. My issue comes from the bullets nosediving into the bottom of the barrel feed ramp which can be a nasty malfunction to clear. I thought I had everything good to go as the gun cycles my dummy rounds fine when being racked by hand; however, for the last few times I've taken it out I'm constantly getting FTFs in the second and third rounds out of my magazines. My dumb self even tried shooting it at a club match last Saturday, and I looked and felt mighty stupid having a malfunction on almost every stage. Is there any sort of place that I can send these in to for magazine tuning? I know most guys are only working on 2011 mags and can't think of a particular CZ person here in the US. This is happening with both my 170 and 140mm mags using CZ Custom Extended Basepads. I've tried adjusting the feed lip specs, pinching the mag in to stack the bullets better, and both 10-coil and 13-coil springs to no avail. I'm really at my wit's end with these, and I'm starting to consider selling the damn thing and getting a different Open gun that I can have worked on by the builder instead of trying to figure it out myself. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Lol you guys are awfully risky using a vacuum for your press and primers. You can get a 6-pack of canned air from Costco for like $10 and not have to worry about it exploding on you. An old brush or toothbrush works well at getting into the nooks and crannies too.

Even better! Then you don’t have to pay draft and sketchup fees since they already have it designed lol.

Lmao I’m gonna send this to Techwear right now and see what they can do about one of these.

Yeah, even with blending the magwell, it's still nowhere near as smooth as something you'd see on a well-fitted 2011 magwell. Really, they're some of the worst I've ever seen on the TS/Czechmates and a huge oversight that they still haven't fixed for years. I've trained to load the magazine toward the front of the magwell to prevent catching on the rear lip, but it still happens from time to time. I can't quite take off much more material from the frame without worrying about it cracking or digging into the mainspring plug. I've heard the CZC ones are a little better, but I don't know how willing I am to spend another $100+ on something I've been able to work around for now. Maybe one day I'll get sick of it and just swap it though.

It was hardly much work at all. The total time spent polishing and cleaning up parts was probably less than 5 minutes total. Most of the time I spent was figuring out how to disassemble and reassemble the gun since it was my first time doing a complete strip on the lower. I'd recommend it if you've got the time to take apart your gun and hit those spots.

Kinda interested, to be honest. All they're going to do is sit anyway. I've got the orange ones from my TSO sitting around too if you would want them. Send me a PM.

I swear I saw it at $599 somewhere, but of course I can’t find it now. Oh well, $720 is even worse and definitely out of the acceptable price range for something like that.

Not sure where some of you saw the price at $720, but they did announce a final MSRP of $599. Maybe $720 CAD? Anyway, way too overpriced, if you ask me. I’ve been wanting one of those HS510Cs again since I used to have one on my AR, but nobody makes a mount for my Czechmate..

Well folks, as of today I’ve been able to get the trigger down to a consistent 1# pull. With the prior noted grittiness, I was getting a 2# pull consistently. After pulling apart the sear cage and cleaning up some spots on the hammer and sear, it’s infinitely smoother and a whole pound lighter! I compared it to parts of my TSO, and was surprised to see a few parts that were polished up there that weren’t polished on the Czechmate. Specific parts of that low-profile hammer were definitely untouched where the TSO hammer had been. This also could have just been the wear from the TSO going through about 5-6k rounds now, but there were definitely a few rough spots that needed smoothing either way. A simple few strokes with some high-grit sandpaper, and the pull weight dropped a whole pound!

I use the 13-coil springs and followers from CZC. First I've heard of people really having issues with the Grams, but I can say that there are occasionally issues with the CZC ones feeding on the last 2-3 rounds where the rounds will nosedive into the bottom of the barrel feed ramp. This usually only happens with older springs, and can be fixed by simply stretching the springs out (you'd be surprised how much they compress) and then bending the top 2-3 coils backwards to keep the follower towards the back of the magazine. I've had the same springs for about 4-5k rounds the last 4 months now and regularly keep them fully loaded for matches, practice, and dryfire, and they still run great. That being said, I've seen the nosediving happening a little more often now and even had one that killed me in a match so I've switched to using new springs for matches and older ones for everything else. I use a 10# recoil spring with about 173PF ammo and have had no issues really. Don't even use those cheapy plastic recoil buffers and everything runs great. I will admit I've had the rear sights drift off a bit, but that's easy to fix with a sight pusher and loctite.

Ok, just got back from testing. I only did tests for velocity to narrow down proper charge weights/PF, and I will be doing accuracy and grouping tests in the next week or two. I ended up loading 10 rounds of each charge weight to collect a little bit better data. So, 100 rounds fired in total. Results are as follows: 9mm Major Load Data Firearm: CZ Czechmate (9mm) Bullets: Rocky Mountain Reloading (RMR) Multi-Purpose Round (MPR) Bullet Weight: 124 grain Case: Mixed Headstamp Including Federal, Winchester, Aguila, Blazer Primers: CCI No.500 Small Pistol Primers C.O.A.L.: 1.165”(+/-0.005") Winchester Autocomp 6.4grs 6.6grs 6.8grs 7.0grs 7.2grs Power Factor 157 161 164.8 168.4 171.9 FPS 1272 1302 1329 1358 1386 Standard Dev. 14.8 12.2 9.6 High 1403 Low 1369 Hodgdon CFE Pistol 6.1grs 6.3grs 6.5grs 6.7grs 6.9grs Power Factor 150 155.8 158 160.8 165.9 FPS 1212 1257 1273 1297 1338 Standard Dev. 23.8 18.1 30.3 7.8 8.1 High 1245 1284 1298 1311 1356 Low 1174 1231 1182 1289 1330 As noted above, bullets used were RMR's MPRs (basically jacketed hollow points) and all loaded at 1.165"(+/-0.005"). Also, I forgot to record data for Standard Deviation and High/Low velocities on the first few loads of WAC, but results were pretty consistent when I was running them through. Non-statistical Observations: As far as WAC, it seemed to be more consistent regarding FPS increases to charge weight. An average increase of 30FPS per 0.2grs made it easy to track how the loads were performing, Though I didn't collect SD and High/Low, the velocities were a bit more consistent than the CFE Pistol, especially in the lower range. Qualitatively, the WAC seemed more erratic on the recoil and felt noticeably louder through my ear muffs. This is my first time shooting an Open gun, and double plugging will absolutely be necessary if going with this powder. I'm relatively young at 22, so if this stuff was hurting my ears through muffs I'd rather not risk hearing loss long-term. I'll probably go with a 7.0grs charge weight, depending on accuracy, grouping, dirtiness, and my determination on felt recoil. The loads at 172PF definitely felt hot, and I wouldn't want to shoot that regularly if 168PF is consistent. Still, the dot tracked a little crazy between shots; however, this may be due to the fact that my first shots were with this powder and I may not have been gripping the gun as hard as I normally would when warmed up. I'll start testing with the CFE Pistol next time to see if felt recoil and dot tracking is actually affected by this. For CFE Pistol, it seems I started a little bit low on the charge weight, but that was because I had fewer data points beforehand to start with and didn't want to run the risk of starting too high. I may make a few test loads at about 7.1-7.2grs of CFE Pistol to get closer to the 168-170PF that I'm looking for. While shooting, there were obvious issues with consistency of velocities until reaching the higher end of powder charges. I've noted this with Hodgdon powders in the past, and think it may have something to do with lower pressure and unburnt powder until you start reaching near-max loads. The unburnt powder was easily spotted on the fired cases, and I'm almost certain this is the cause of the higher SDs and variance. Though the 6.9grs charge was finally reaching Major PF, I want to see where 7.1+grs will sit before continuing with some accuracy testing. Qualitatively, the CFE Pistol felt a lot better to shoot than the WAC. It didn't get much louder from 6.1grs to 6.9grs, and it definitely felt quieter (though this may be entirely subjective). Recoil was also a lot more up-and-down rather than the shaky dot movement I experienced from WAC. The dot seemed to snap back a bit faster to original point of aim instead of bouncing or moving side-to-side. Again, I will start with CFE Pistol next time to see if I'm the cause for this observation, and will continue to alternate starting powders as I move on to accuracy and recoil testing. For both powders, obvious pressure signs began to show as the charges got higher. Though there was hardly any primer flattening, I did start to notice some slight cratering in the upper range of test charges. Nothing I'm particularly worried about, though. I did use some stepped/crimped cases, and they held up fine, but I don't plan on using them for anything other than practice ammo in the future, just in case (hehe puns). Let me know if you guys have any questions. I'll update back here when I do more testing!

Didn’t get exact measurement, but it ended up being about 30 thousandths removed. The issue I had with the RMR bullets was the long ogive. Even before reaming, I couldn’t fit anything longer than about 1.12” so quite a bit had to be taken out. By hand, I was able to get a 1.165” cartridge in about 10 thousands further, but I really had to remove a bit to get one all the way in. Guess we’ll see how it turns out this week when I go to shoot it.

Cool, thanks for the data! I'm gonna be loading out to about 1.165", depending on how much the case fills with certain powders. I absolutely hate spherical powders, but I'm guessing that's probably the best option since I can't find VV anywhere in bulk. Got 50 rounds loaded up (25 WAC, 25 CFE) and plan to test them no later than this Saturday. Will update with results based on powder charge, velocity, etc. after.

Finally got around to reaming (throating) my barrel to fit 124gr RMR MPRs (muilti-purpose rounds AKA hollow points). Funny you guys said it only takes a few turns with the reamer, because mine took me a good hour or so and quite a bit of work with the Clymer. Maybe I was doing it wrong? To be fair, the ogive of the RMR bullets are quite a bit longer/wider than PDs or Montanas. This may make some of you cringe, but I actually ended up having to put the throater in my drill and slowly work it in that way since I was getting nowhere doing it by hand. Definitely not my proudest home-gunsmith moment... but it worked a hell of a lot faster lol. Anyway, I picked up a pound of CFE Pistol, as I've had/heard good results in regular and 9 Major loads, respectively. Anybody got data on this or seen anything? I'm gonna load up a handful of rounds with WAC today, and hopefully get out to do some testing by the end of the week.

Think I'm gonna have to end up getting rid of the one from my Czechmate Parrot. It's the purple anodized, not sure if that matters to you. I'm having the same issues mentioned above, where it should be on the left side for right-handed shooters, but that interferes with me flipping the safety on my draw. Placing it on the right side, however, causes me to bump it with my hand as I bring it up. I was really hoping to keep the purple, but it's almost entirely unusable for my draw style Go figure everywhere that sells these aftermarket slide rackers is out of stock too.