PrimaryBruce

The depth of the fbp cut is the limiting factor of how deep you can mill for the red dot on all fpb equipped CZ'S. You can go just past how deep the rear sight dovetail is cut, so you can still get the dot down pretty low to the bore axis like you want.

It doesn't take long to get used to finding the dot at all with no irons.

Front sight is only to assist in picking up the red dot, which I don't even use it for that purpose anymore. The sight can be seen at the very bottom of the red dot window only. I personally do not like co witnessing sights with red dots on pistols. You don't have much viewing area as it is to start blocking more of it with suppressor sights. Just my .02.

That is a great looking gun… nicely done ! Thank you sir!

What do you mean not as lenient? I have stippled a number of glocks, M&Ps, 2011s. What have you encountered? If you aren't careful, you'll literally pull off some of the polymer with the soldering gun. I have done a metric crap ton of Glocks and M&P's too. Never had this occur. I've only done a hand full of customer CZ's, but it's the same with them all - you can't leave the soldering gun on the polymer for more than half a second or so, or you'll pull the polymer off. Tough to explain. Try it on a spare back strap and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Decided the front and rear of the grip could use a little more of an aggressive patterns over factory. I'd like to note that the polymer on these CZ's is...different...for lack of a better word than the polymer of a Glock or other polymer framed guns. You can't treat it the same as you can if you stipple a Glock. The CZ frames aren't as lenient with the heat as Glock frames.

http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/witness-elite-1911-polymer-tanfoglio/

You must be looking in all the wrong places for machining services, sir. Oh, and IMO the Burris FF III is very, very hard to beat at its price. You can find them for $225-$250 new. You can get a Leupold Deltapoint in that price range as well. I personally can't stand the original Deltapoints. The tiny torx screws are entirely too easy to strip, optic has to be removed to replace battery... I just think the whole design of the optic is poor IMO. That said, if you're okay with that, they are solid and reliable optics.

Only advantage that a shorter gun would have over a longer gun would be a hair faster on your transitions. Shorter is pretty much always quicker between transitions...of course, we're talking a matter of 1-2" here, not several inches like with rifles. I think the people who win this class will be people shooting guns that are comfortable to them (obviously) and getting enough range time in to seriously get acquainted with slide ride optics rather than pick apart which gun will be just that much better than the next one.

You must be looking in all the wrong places for machining services, sir. Oh, and IMO the Burris FF III is very, very hard to beat at its price. You can find them for $225-$250 new.

Body looks similar to a Deltapoint, but who knows.

If this division was in fact made to keep the polymer pistol guys happy, I don't see the weight limit going away.

http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=219405 Whole thread on this talking about the P-09/07 dominating the class. This has basically been the consensus across several other forums as well. lol

Complete CGW Pro Grade kit, CGW SS guide rod, 15lb recoil spring, all internals polished, slide lightened and milled for Burris FF III, re finished in desert sand cerakote.

I don't imagine the extra weight of the threaded barrel would be more than an ounce or two. By the time the rear sight was removed and milled for red dot you'd have no problem making weight.

I don't think C-More will be the most popular when it comes to slide mounted optics. IMO the big three will be Burris Fastfire III, RMR, and Deltapoint.

This division was made because Glock, S&W, and Springfield basically told USPSA they weren't going to support the league on the same level they were in the past because essentially their guns aren't as competitive as the CZ's and Tanfoglio's. So since USPSA likes their money they made this new Carry Optic division with a 35oz weight limit thinking they would now be competitive since just about all the all steel guns can't make weight... Now the Glock/S&W/XD guys are still pissed because they have figured out the CZ P-07 and P-09 are going to dominate the class due to the triggers being leaps and bounds better than any striker fired guns trigger could be. People are thinking the P Series CZ's are going to destroy everything in this division because the SA P series CZ trigger is above and beyond anything a striker fired gun can come close to. The whole thing is kinda controversial...well...not really I guess but my belief is that the Glock/S&W and other plastic gun lovers want a division to excel in (since essentially CZ and Tanfo dominate everything) and they thought this would be the class for them. But that won't really be the case because as others have eluded to, I think the P-07 and 09 will be the top guns in this division. I mean, the added weight of an all steel gun is certainly an advantage, but let's face it - CZ's and Tanfo's dominate the striker guns in other divisions because of the triggers, not the gun weight IMO. Though I've been very anxiously awaiting my new P-09, I have to admit that I've actually been toiling over whether or not to keep it or sell it, despite having bought a red dot specifically for it. I just didn't know what I'd be using it for besides a range toy. A new carry optics division changes . . . well, everything. Looks like I'll be calling you pretty darn soon, Bruce. Gonna need some work done. We'll be waiting for ya, man!

This division was made because Glock, S&W, and Springfield basically told USPSA they weren't going to support the league on the same level they were in the past because essentially their guns aren't as competitive as the CZ's and Tanfoglio's. So since USPSA likes their money they made this new Carry Optic division with a 35oz weight limit thinking they would now be competitive since just about all the all steel guns can't make weight... Now the Glock/S&W/XD guys are still pissed because they have figured out the CZ P-07 and P-09 are going to dominate the class due to the triggers being leaps and bounds better than any striker fired guns trigger could be.

Heh, that's Joe. He has beat out plenty of 1911's and other all steel guns in bulls eye comps with his P-09.

For anyone wondering about weight, mine came in at 31.3oz. Stock weight is 31oz. So we basically managed to have this gun come in at stock weight WITH a red dot and WITH a stainless guide rod vs factory with no red dot and plastic guide rod.

Yes, I posted a pic of it on this page.

31.3oz here. This is with a front sight and stainless guide rod. Pic quality sucks. Also, ignore the powder stuff you see. That scale is at a friend of mine's shop. It's a state certified scale for accuracy to weigh fire extinguishers. So this weight is 100% accurate.

I believe Streamlight has actually gone as far as to put a disclaimer on their website talking bout how for whatever reason Glocks in .40 S&W can have some major issues with jamming and overall reliability running lights. They say some are just fine and some are horrible. Edit: Here, strait from Streamlight. They don't mention the 35, but I believe it's a caliber specific thing more than model: Q: Are there Issues Using Tactical Lights on Glock® Pistols? A: Some Glock® .40 caliber pistols, models 22 and 23, exhibit feeding malfunctions, either nose down or nose up (stovepipe), when used with tactical lights. The problems tend to occur with individual guns, with some pistols becoming totally unreliable while other identical, even close in serial number sequence, guns have no problems. Most models 22 and 23 are reliable. A sensitive gun may malfunction with any tactical light - the TLRs, the older M models, and even Glock®’s own brand. There is evidence that the problem sometimes develops with use, and may progress until the pistol is unreliable even with no light attached. On the basis of testing by Streamlight, we believe the problem is magazine related. It appears that the rounds are unable to rise fast enough for proper cycling. We have observed proper feeding for the first few rounds, consistent failures at mid-magazine capacity, and a return to proper feeding of the last few cartridges in the magazine. We have tried both stronger and weaker recoil springs, and compound-action recoil buffers, all without success. Sometimes new magazine springs, either new Glock® or Wolff, will cure the problem. In one case of a pistol which was totally reliable when new but progressed to malfunctioning on every magazine, even with no light installed, we found two solutions which restored reliability, but which might not be acceptable to some users. The first was using 10 round capacity Glock® magazines. The gun will not cycle reliably with 15 round mags with their steeply stacked columns but works flawlessly with 10 round mags. The second solution was a new magazine follower from Brownells®, their part number 069-000-006. When used in a 15 round magazine with a new spring, reliability was restored. However, the follower would not lock the slide open after the last round. Ammunition is also a factor with any weapon. Some brands and weights may be totally reliable while others jam repeatedly. Make sure your gun is thoroughly tested with your duty ammo. Brownells® is a registered trademark of Brownells®, Inc. Glock® is a registered trademark of GLOCK Gesellschaft mbH.

I personally like front sights only on my red dot pistols only to help acquire the dot. Knedrgr probably left his just for looks if I had to guess, as those dovetail mounts put the red dot far too high for the front sight to be seen through the window without suppressor height sights.