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Requiring procedures and mechanisms to measure the pull is a reasonable objection, if not insurmountable. Hammer down would work for me, even if y'all were just joking. I knew we could all agree on something.

@Steve RA Yeah, that was what was leading me away from the 5.25, because the quote made me think I might be "paying" for the (meaningless) sight radius. [Edited out stuff that didn't make sense] But I've never shot CO, nor even a polymer competitively, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see what others have to say.

Thanks for the comments, guys. It gives me confidence. Honestly, if I had a 5.25 I wouldn't even be asking, and I'm not good enough for it to make any real difference anyway, but since I don't have a CO suitable gun I thought I might as well start out with the best possible option. So I found the post ... Springfield Armory XDM 5.25 9mm Review and include it here because it's always better to see a direct quote, especially one from TGO. ==> A longer sight radius will always have the appearance of increased muzzle flip when compared to a shorter one, all else being equal as the sight is further from you when the gun is pointed up at the same angle. Also there has to be more weight at the end of the slide regardless of the total weight of the slide when compared to a shorter one. That weight causes an increase in torque as the muzzle moves vertically caused by the resistance of the rearward movement of the gun by your hand which is lower than the line of force. So yes, the longer slide will have more flip, both in actual and visual measurement. I am willing to accept the greater muzzle rise to gain the sighting radius which allows me to aim more precisely and quickly. <==

There was an old post by TGO talking about 5.25 muzzle rise in which he said something like "I'm prepared to tolerate the extra muzzle rise of the longer barrel in order to get the better sight radius" (sorry if I've just misquoted him here but that's how I remembered it). I was soon about to get a 5.25 and a Springer dovetail mount for Carry Optics but I wonder if the shorter 4.5 OSP might be better in terms of muzzle rise given that sight radius isn't adding much value (or maybe a Mod.2 5"). Can anyone who has a clue offer an opinion? Is there an optimal XD barrel length for CO?

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OP's Legion (http://legionseries.com/p226-sao-legion/) My 1911 - or the closest model currently for sale (http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/PI9129LP1.pdf) We're not talking SVIs here. My original post includes the idea of restricting trigger weight for Production SAOs explicitly so that there is no disadvantage to existing Production shooters. If you or I were to shoot a stock striker trigger we are already disadvantaged by the CZs and competitive striker triggers - adding SAOs at 4.5# (or whatever) into the mix isn't going to make it any worse. As I said earlier, I don't have an SAO gun that would qualify by my own suggestions (mine's at 4#). I'm buying a striker fired gun for Prod in spring. I'm not trying to suit myself. I'm making the case because there are a bunch of guns (and inferentially owners) who are excluded from competitively shooting USPSA for no decent reason in my opinion, and I don't think it serves the sport. A 9mm stock SAO is not a Limited gun. Forcing owners to shoot that division doesn't make it so. I hardly think my posts are going to change the rules. But if I had a vote I would and this is why.

That's what I would expect, and it seems completely rational to me. But that's exactly my point - it doesn't seem very difficult to allow people to play with their stock 9mm SAOs in Prod without disadvantaging anyone, and it opens up the game to more people. I picked 4.5# because most stock SAOs seem to be around 5-5.5# these days and competitive SA/DAs and strikers are substantially less, but smarter people could make a more deliberate determination.

Which SAO gun would you switch to (with say a 4.5# min pull requirement) in preference to, for example, a PRP XDM 5.25 striker? That restriction would eliminate my 1911, btw, which is the only gun I have in this potential category, so I have no skin in this game from the SAO end. I just don't like seeing orphaned guns w/o a really good reason. Unrelated to your post, but more generally I don't think Limited minor and SS Minor are homes for a 9mm - they're ghettos IMO (I concede SS minor for the odd match for a pro, but that's not what we're talking about). Edit: I guess SS Minor is close to being a home - the disadvantage is small. Not true for otherwise "production" SAOs in Limited though.

Late to the party, but Prod is not Limited, and wouldn't be made Limited or a custom build division by allowing SAOs IMO. There is still the box, magwell restrictions, the prod listing requirement, no major scoring, and less specifically the stage planning and reload requirements. I *would* advocate for changing the rules. I don't see any Prod shooter being comparatively more disadvantaged shooting against an otherwise conforming Production SAO than they would shooting against a custom CZ shooter or polymer shooter with a custom trigger. If we want to be super protective we could impose a disadvantageous minimum trigger weight for SAOs. I personally don't see how it serves the sport to exclude SAO Sigs, 9mm 1911s etc from Production. Many popular 9mm guns currently have no real home in USPSA. Why make people shoot minor in Limited or Single Stack when they could reasonably shoot Production?

You could always start with Single Stack (USPSA) / CDP (IDPA) and use your 1911s until you're more familiar with USPSA/IDPA divisions and rules. Go to a few local(ish) matches and see where the action is. Iron sights only for those divisions though. Your caliber and gun choices are quite severely constrained by which divisions you want to shoot, so you need to square that away early. Flexibility only goes so far, btw. Most 9mm striker-fired or DA/SA guns can shoot in any division (except Single Stack), but not competitively. You can't go too wrong with a 2011 in 40 or a CZ in 9mm though. When I shot my friend's X5 (SA) I fell in love, but it's not a great fit for any division in USPSA IMO. The Allround is an ok choice for Production/Carry Optics, but most people would prefer a CZ. If you just want to dump a bit of cash on a fun gun with some downstream prospects, you could consider a CZ Czechmate - it's a poor man's major 9 Open gun, but also configurable OOTB for Limited minor, and good for Steel Challenge.

I have an old CA-roster 226 Extreme with the huge rising loaded chamber indicator in the slide. I used to use it for Production, but my eyes have gone now so I was thinking about repurposing it for a cheap Carry Optics platform. Does anyone know if there is a way to use a mount (any red dot would do) with such a slide? I have no interest in co-witnessing. Alternatively, as I have since fled the state, is it possible to remove the LCI from the slide (a gunsmith, not me)? I don't want to pay for milling or a caliber exchange kit, btw. I'd rather get a new gun at that point.

Loves2Shoot, nice to have options but a dovetail mount would be enough. Thanks for your support of the platform - it will be instrumental in my choosing an XD if I go ahead. grapemeister, I won't be competing until spring. I'm hoping it will be approved by then. If not, I can still shoot in another division with my existing kit. Having said that, I'm leaning toward an XDM 5.25 at this moment, so it might be moot. Thanks guys, I think I have the info I need now.

Thanks, dave33, for confirming my fears about the rear sights. I'm a non-mechanical oaf, so that would mean costing in a trip to the smith. Wrt the OSP, I figure I have to compare that to a 5.25 with Springer mount, and with an extra magazine for the 5.25 it only costs me about $20 more to go for the 5.25. I think that's a more versatile option. Having said that, I would go for a 5" Mod.2 OSP if they built one - I love the grip that much.

1) I want to use a 5" Mod.2 for carry optics, but I don't want to mill the slide. Do the Springer XD/XDM dovetail mounts fit the Mod.2? 2) Can I expect a drama removing the factory rear and/or inserting the mount? 3) Does anyone think I should prefer an XDM 5.25? It's the grip that's steering me to the Mod.2 - I absolutely love it (small hands) - but the XDM isn't bad for me either. I'm new to XDs btw and I have no investment in any yet.

So, Team Sig is disbanded (Tim Herron's Facebook post, web site gone). No sign of Target 320 to date. Anyone else get a bad vibe here? I might be switching to Springfield Saint for my hype hit soon.

I'm completely unfamiliar with Springfields (other than a 1911). So, for CO only, this or an XDM 5.25", and why?

Looking forward to pictures of the 320 Target at SHOT 2017.

Assuming you have a loaded chamber indicator for CA, how does that affect the mount. And where did you get it done?

What did you have to do with it to get a fit?

@trgt Thanks. I appreciate your input. I will start out as you suggest.

Level set. I'm completely new to Open, no prospects, and don't reload (and you can't talk me into it). My question is this: if I were to use factory ammo (135-140 PF with my current preferences) how would I configure the gun for Open? Compensator on or off? Recoil spring weight? This just has to run reliably - I'm in no danger of winning anything. Ever. Also, is there any factory ammo that you would you recommend?

Alma, do you know if there is a 320rx off a Target configuration in the works or just existing sizes? [dang, wrong topic, but too late now, sorry all]

320 Target 9mm only or 40 cal too?

But that's kind of my question. Why is it caliber based rather than (solely) power factor based? I mean, I get that 9mm major is probably dangerous in other than a custom build and so might want to be discouraged in "lesser" divisions, but that's not true for 38 super major loads is it? It seems strange to force a 38 super to score minor in SS eg if it's using a major load. Sorry for noob question - my knowledge is extremely limited. Or put another way, why is a 38 super 1911, eg, shooting major loads artificially disadvantaged?

I understand why 9mm major might be restricted to Open, but can anyone tell me why the rules don't allow 38 super to score major in Limited or SS?