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2 hours ago, Thomas H said:
This was a reply to the comment of: "A local safety officer can't ban the shooter from the sport, but can ban the shooter from the range. "
And correct, USPSA doesn't have SOs. But ranges do---and the point was that a range can indeed ban people from their range. That would mean that person could not attend a local match, because they weren't allowed into that range.This sounds like the correct answer, especially since the shooter is a liability to the club. It has nothing to do with USPSA, or the type of match it is. Bring the matter to the Board that runs the range.
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I don’t know much about steel challenge, but it sort of sounds like a very bad miss. Wouldn’t it be the same thing if he was transitioning from one target to the next and shot early and the round went between the two targets?
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1 hour ago, Johnnymazz said:
Theres also no need for cable ties on the side to stop the wiggle. If your machine is properly timed and adjusted. Stay away from any of the add on goodies companies sell.
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny,”stay away from the add on goodies”???
How can you possibly not “accessorize” a new toy after you get it? I know I can’t. What the heck do you think I do between the time I place an order and the item arrives at my door? I seek out just about every possible accessory/gizmo/dohicky/etc that I can find and try to decide whether or not I “need” it. I just can’t help myself, and I have boxes and boxes of these “upgrades” that ended being a waste of time, but I still haven’t learned my lesson. You should see my holster and gun parts boxes! They are overflowing.
I admit most add-on goodies are unnecessary, but some are downright worth their weight in gold. After all, isn’t the Mr. Bullet Feeder an add-on accessory?
All kidding aside, I do get, and agree with your point. I can’t recall how loose the shell plate was in the pic, but I do know that I discovered I wasn’t tightening it enough and after that mess was cleaned up I did tighten it up so there was almost no up/down flex.
I did install the zip ties, because I had them, and I just couldn’t help myself. It was either that or I would have ordered the Arredondo shell stabilizer, so they saved me $20 for now.
I loaded about 400 rounds last night at a much slower pace (approx 20/min) and there was virtually no spillage at all, maybe a total of 4 powder flakes total.
So, it was probably a combo of the loose shell plate and yanking the handle too fast. I’ll continue to observe and see how it goes. -
3 minutes ago, highxj said:
Completely unrelated, but as a new 1100 operator like some on this thread, I've found it helpful and less tiresome to shorten the length of the handle. It's completely unnecessary to have so much leverage when loading processed brass. The lock screw holds it in place no problem without the divot. Sorry about the drift.
Waiting for delivery today of the Reloading Innovation spill stop kit.
That’s an interesting tip, I may give it a try. Let us know how the spill stop kit works out for you. I’m going to try the zip tie method first before exploring other options.
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Thanks for the update, I appreciate it.
Now everyone is going to want one for their PC Carbine…
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1 hour ago, AHI said:
900+ includes adding primers ,bullets, cases and powder if /when needed. I pull the handle 35ish times a minute.
If loading major I go slower.
Gotcha, so at 35/min your load rate would be about 2100/hour, but with the necessary pauses, your throughput is about 900 rounds per hour.
I need to stop keeping track of this s#!t. When I start the timer, I naturally go into “competition mode” and try to beat the previous time.
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2 hours ago, highxj said:
So... You were loading 100 rounds in 2.5 minutes? Good grief dude, if I ran mine that hard I'd be knee deep in powder
. At any rate, I was getting some powder sloshing, just a tad, loading 223 even slowing down considerably while indexing. A zip tie after the powder drop helped quite a bit, but the Dillon shell plate seems very sloppy. This is 223 however, I haven't loaded 9 on mine yet.
Actually, it was closer to 100 rounds in 2.75 minutes. Well under 3 minutes and WAY too fast.
My new plan is to slow down and try to mimic the stroke of the auto drives and add in some dwell time and smooth things out. Yanking the handle like I was back on my RL550 is NOT the way to go…
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Thank you for doing this.
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For those of you using the Arredondo shell stabilizer, how well is it working for you?
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10 hours ago, HOGRIDER said:
Cuz:
I have to ask................are you going faster than our own member chgofirefighter?
The second video gives good views of the round coming out of the powder station and bullet feeder station without a lot of spillage. He's also using the Arredondo shell stabilizer:
https://www.arredondoaccessories.com/product/shell-stabilizer-3/
Hogrider,when I watched the video I didn’t think I was going that fast. But, as with shooting, the timer doesn’t lie, so I broke out my timer app and checked. Best I can tell from watching and timing different sections of the video is that he is cycling the press at a rate of 6.5 cycles / 10 seconds. Then 12.5 cycles / 20 seconds, and then again at 18 cycles / 30 seconds. So, 18 cycles/30 sec = 36/minute = a rate of 2160/hour.
When I experienced all my spillage, I was timing my rate at 40 cycles/minute which equals a rate of 2400/hour, so, yes, I was going faster than he was going in the video.
I will research that Arredondo stabilizer, but will probably try the zip ties first since I have some. I will most likely also slow down a bit and save the high speed yanking for when I’m just processing brass.
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2 hours ago, AHI said:
Tighten the shell plate till it will not rotate. Then loosen tIll it indexes smoothly.
Now this is hard to explain. If you watch a auto drive closely it slows down on the up stroke
Right as the plate indexes. Now if you manually operate. The press using a similar rithim you
Basically can go as fast as you can pull the Handel. With No auto drive I load 900+ an hour
900 rounds/hour may seem fast, but it’s only 15 rounds a minute. That’s actually pretty slow compared to my times which is why I thought I was going too fast.
At your current pace, how many rounds do you load in 1 minute?
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Ok, I have more information. Apparently, this may be a "loading rate" issue.
When I cleaned everything up, and pulled the handle very slowly to watch where the powder was falling, there really wasn't any, at least not for the 30 or so rounds I watched before I got bored. I would say my rate was basically 6 seconds for a full cycle of the handle. That's 10 rounds/minute, which is 600 rounds/hour. While that may sound like a decent clip I can promise you it was painfully slow.
So, I started timing different rates and observing powder spillage. I increased my rate to 20 rounds/minute (3 seconds/cycle) and still had virtually no spillage. So, then I set the timer again and cycled like I normally load and it turns out I was pulling the handle at a rate of about 40 rounds/minute, and the spillage was back. Maybe I was just going WAY TOO FAST.
So, now I'm wondering, for you manual loaders, how many rounds per minute is your normal loading pace? I did this by setting a timer for 1:03 so I had 3 seconds to hit the start button, and then grab the press handle and wait for the timer to hit 1:00 before pulling the handle.
I'm not asking you how many rounds you can load in a minute, but rather, I would like to know how many rounds per minute is your normal loading pace. It would also help if you let us know what you have for a press. I guess the rate would be different on different presses.
On my RL550, the fastest I could ever go was about 400 rounds in an hour.
I will say, that with the bullet feeder full, and a couple hundred cases in the case feeder it is HARD to go slow.
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19 hours ago, HOGRIDER said:
Cuz:
As AHI pointed out, if everything's adjusted correctly and your not going too fast; these simple zip ties work excellent!
Was loading 4.0g of N320 today for some test 9mm test rounds, and can't remember seeing any spillage whatsoever on the press/shellplate. And I was loading at a normal pace.
What size are those zip ties?
And, what exactly do they do? Stabilize the case between stations?
Is that the only two places you use them?
Thanks.
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4 hours ago, HesedTech said:
Looked up this problem and found this, if the steel drop funnel is not pressed all the way up to the slide it can catch powder in the gap and spill it.
Check this video out he explains what was found while updating older powder measures.
Thanks, I'll definately check it out when I get home.
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32 minutes ago, AHI said:
First you have to determine wats happening. As I said clean off the shell plate . Now watch real closely.
Is the powder accumulation from "after drop"? ( powder still coming after the case is lowered) Or is it
being slung out on rotation? The zip ties Hogrider suggested would be my first recommendation. First
we have to find the source of the leak.
Totally agree with having to find the source. I figured using video might be better as I could study it closely to see what’s going on. Looks like I’ll have to clean it again tonight and pay close attention.
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Is the general consensus that powder is spilling out of the case during shell plate rotation? Or leaking out of the powder dropper? I guess I’ll need to shoot some video of the powder drop and bullet drop section after another cleaning. That’s the only place where there is a case with powder and no bullet.
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37 minutes ago, AHI said:
I know you said you were using a mister bullet feeder. Are you using a powder ck die? If so remove it.
Next ck all the bolts / screws on the powder measure. Next clean press and watch closely. To see were the powder is coming from.
You may find your just going to fast.
slinging the powder out as the case advances.
AHI,
im not using a powder check die, and my pace is pretty slow. I’m coming from 20+ years on a 550 press, I’d guess my pace is about 10 minutes per 100 rounds which is pretty slow for this press.
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3 hours ago, Intheshaw1 said:
Ive heard all you need to do is buy an open gun and you'll make GM
Damn, I knew I blew it when I had SVI build me a 40 cal limited gun back in 2007. -
It seems my manually operated press is spilling powder everywhere. After thoroughly cleaning the press, the attached pic is of my shell plate after loading 100 rounds. Yes, just 100 rounds! What is going wrong?
I’m using TightGroup and dropping 3.6 grains so the cases are barely half full. Randomly weighed charges are all between 3.50 and 3.70 which I think is acceptable. Scale is accurate to 0.02 grains. I’m using the Mr. Bullet Feeder powder funnel, and One Shot case lube so there is very little sticking. Brass is dry tumbled clean and pre-processed to deprime and size.
All advice is greatly appreciated. I will give Dillon a call later in the week, but am hopeful someone here can help.
Thanks,
Cuz
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I’m still chasing my tail on this. I have a 17 with Toni System frame weight and Carver heavy mag well that adds a significant amount of weight. Then I have a 34 with just a Dawson Ice magwell, and a relatively stock Gen5 34. They all have red dots on them. I keep going back and forth and back and forth. I keep hoping there is something I can buy that will improve my shooting without having to practice. I haven’t found it yet.
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7 hours ago, Skeeter44 said:
Yeah I was not allowed to run a holster on the range if i used a scoop draw so i learned the slow way lol
I think a scoop draw is one of those things that seems faster as your starting, but as you get better you realize you can draw faster (with practice) the traditional way.
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1 hour ago, ToddKS said:
I have 3 boxes of 5000ea 9 Std mix ready for immediate shipment. Brass is cleaned, rollsized, sorted, and polished.
Price is $189 per box shipped.
Please message me if you would like to place an order.
Thanks,
Todd
PM sent.
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I would just be ecstatic to have her shooting with me and would happily do it all myself if she didn’t want to help. She can help out in other ways, like not caring when you want to spend $5k on an automated loading system, or making and packing lunches and drinks for match day.
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1 hour ago, Lightj75 said:
My hands below waist draw is way faster than surrender draw. From surrender you have to take hands down to the gun then bring the gun up. From below waist all you have to do is bring the gun up so it should be faster or you aren't doing it right. Also my draw is faster than my reloads
from below the waist, if your not bringing your hands up, and then down onto the gun to grip it, then it sounds like you may be scooping it out of the holster. Hopefully you don’t scoop it up and toss it someday.
Banning a shooter, L1 match
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
Posted
Problem solved, USPSA not involved, it’s win/win.