motosapiens

that doesn't even make sense. what is an 'iron sight match'? except for nationals the last few years, all divisions shoot in every match. To me it makes total sense to include the limited optics division in this match because there wasn't any other national match with limited optics, and because there is apparently still room.

it makes sense to me to see lots of LO in an iron sights match. by putting all the iron sights divisions together, USPSA screwed up and ended up limiting the participation, since there is a huge crossover between limited and ss shooters. As someone who has shot numerous nationals in SS and limited, this one didn't appeal to me much, partly because the heat in SS will be severely watered down by people hiding in prod and limited. If you scheduled open, LO and CO for the same match, it would make the numbers for those divisions look kinda skewed too, although obviously the match would still sell out.

why does it need to change? In general sports that Chase viewership dollars tend to suck more and more as time goes on. Practical shooting is currently pretty awesome From a participant standpoint and making it better for spectators Would probably make it suck more for the people doing it. chasing TV dollars completely ruined mountain bike racing, and probably many other sports as well

at the last few nationals I've worked, troy has explicitly told RO's not to put themselves in a position to get guns pointed at them. Of course, even if you are several yards behind the shooter and to the side, people still point guns there (like at 200-220 degrees). Every 180 call I've made has been at least 10-20 degrees the wrong side of the line. People still try to argue tho.

Agreed, It's very difficult to be 100% sure when it's barely breaking the 180 for a moment. The ones I call are pretty indisputable tho,

the first statement is a very valid point, and I wouldn't have any trouble dq-ing a competitor who points his gun at someone, even if he didn't know someone was there. I think in general the right way to handle the original situation is to say 'hey, don't do that', and then put up a sign that specifies the safe directions or muzzle aiming limits for that safety area. The second one, not so much, because the rule regarding 180 violations doesn't say anything about pointing in a safe direction.

it seems pretty clear. the match starts on match day. if you show up to the match on match day, you can dq before the match starts, but you can't dq the day before when no one is shooting for score yet.

good catch. I overlooked that because of the pagination, lol. At a local match it seems like most people would agree that the gun should be pointed into a berm, and not at any people. imho, downrange when the bay is empty is a perfectly safe direction.

the rules only say the firearm must be pointed in a safe direction.

everyone who starts on this road eventually gets a custom 2011. you can tinker and spend a lot of hours and a lot of dollars putting lipstick on a pig or you can just spend four or $5000 on a proper gun that runs. Or you can do both like most noobs do.

a MAN when shooting ss 45, a guy with a ford ranger when shooting 40, a pcc shooter on a an e-scooter when shooting 9 minor.

only if you accept the premise that most people are lazy pansies. I personally accept that premise, although I wish it was otherwise. For the same reason, enduro motorcycle racing has gradually withered, while professional cornhole has become a thing. crazy times we live in.

this is a little bit of a thing, but probably averages out, unless jimmy *only* shoots s#!tty hoser matches. At any rate, it's still probably better than the current rankings which only test a subset of match skills. Now and in the future, the best way to compare yourself to other shooters is to shoot major matches, where you can shoot the same stages at the same time under the same conditions. That's one of the main reasons that people who are serious shooters go to major matches (plus they are hella fun).

lol, right.... so it's not an advantage, but they ran out and ordered custom 2011's.

all you have to do is go to one of the 'other organizations' matches and get screwed over on a bogus rules call to appreciate uspsa. Not really a big deal i guess for people who aren't competitive and just shoot to have fun and make noise, and don't want to shoot major matches with a reasonably consistently applied ruleset and stage design criteria.

i'm the opposite. the older I get, the more major matches I want to shoot. I retire at the end of this year, so we're going to try to work/shoot 3+ area matches and open nationals next year, plus the section/state matches in our area.

i personally don't think uspsa is going anywhere, but even if the organization folded, I can guarantee you I would still be putting on 2 uspsa matches a month at my local club.

i was wondering the same thing, because my 3 year membership is good until mid-2025. even if not, still probably a good idea to upgrade to life membership before the deadline.

well, I guess I get to eat my words. After making fun of limited optics and staccato for weeks, it looks like I am now going to be shooting limited optics with a staccato in the fall. The Lord was kind enough to pull my name from the prize table for a staccato P optic ready on sunday.

I'm only an M in 2 divisions so far, and not likely to make gm at my age, but my experience is that you can tune the spring, and you can also tune your grip. a slightly heavier spring typically gives better reliability, so if I can shoot just as fast and not use the lightest possible spring, I'll probably have more success in matches from having a more reliable and consistent gun.

is shooting .40 really that painful for some people? I buy 40 bullets from the same place I get 9mm bullets, for about 1.5 cents more each, and i get more points for them. I also find reloading 40 to be easier than reloading 9, with less brass issues, and less physical force required at the press. in real life I don't hear anyone complaining about calibre, just about iron sights. everyone seems to like dots (and new divisions) right now. I don't think LO and CO will die off like pcc did after the brief fad, but I do think things will stabilize after a couple years.

i agree with that. L10 is dumb, but L10 with a dot would be less dumb. 10 round 45 ftw!

i have seen zero open shooters actually switch to CO or LO long term. I have seen a few shoot CO for a month or two to prep for co nationals, but then they immediately go back to open. For someone already shooting open, I don't see any attraction whatsoever to spend similar money on a minor-only uncompensated division. But I don't really care. LO will be whatever it is, and if tons of people want to spend $4-5k on a custom gun to shoot minor, that's super cool and i hope they have fun.

we're seeing alot of people switching from CO to open over the last couple years (including mrs moto). CO gave them a taste of the dot and hi-cap, and now they want major scoring and better triggers and even higher cap. Open numbers locally are about double what they were a few years ago.

i believe at my club we saw the discussion waktasz posted from many years ago, and we have allowed people to turn either way and shoot the outside targets in either order because it didn't make sense that the stage designer would want to intentionally penalize lefties. It is unfortunate that no one has ever gotten around to updating the wsb to make that more obvious to the extremely literal-minded.