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Don't assume my intentions either but if you want to know I am a fair, safe, knowledgable, and fun RO. I call them as I see them. This has nothing to do with an anatomy lesson of where my shoulder connects to my arm. Its SUPPORT and that's what that rule is about.
This ain't the first time I have seen that technique and it and the other variations are why that rule is in the book.
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He really doesn't mention it's for strong or weak hand shooting.. maybe it's freestyle.. then it's fine..
these are really great answers but i still dont know if it is legal or not,, any ideas
Send an email with pic to John Amidon. His Address is on USPSA.org
Troy McManus is a good one to ask too.
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rolling your shoulder in on your hand wedges your hand between your shoulder and neck. Kinda a push pull isometric tension device. I would call that using the other hand to support the shooting arm. and violates rule 10.2.8.2.
Now before you argue it isnt touching the arm, let me ask, Why are you doing it ? You are doing it to steady your arm, in which case it is providing support. If it doesnt provide support why do it ?The rule says support not touch.
+1 you're supporting your shooting arm by supporting the shoulder joint. Not legal.
I would give procedurals. I believe its 10.2.8.2I've gotta disagree. If you interpret 10.2.8.2 to include indirect support of the shooting arm, it can't be touching any part of the shooter's body or equipment. In that case, almost everyone shooting weak hand will get a proceedural. The common strong hand across the chest supports the chest, which supports the shoulder, which supports the arm.
The OP says it's to steady his head.
It looks legal to me.
Its using the other hand as support. I didn't say anything about body or equipment.
I'll call procedurals and its only $100 to see if I'm wrong?
I also don't care if you say something is to steady your head. I see that that its support from the other hand. Arm being attached. That's the rule.
Yes its no advantage and looks to be a possible disadvantage to transistion time.
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Extractors wear out and I would have a new one fitted by someone who knows what they are doing.
Ammo is the culprit in 90% of new open gun buyers problems IF it was working before you got it.
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I would give procedurals. I believe its 10.2.8.2
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I kept track my first year of committed performance improvement. 57K of .45 200 gr lead.
This was a different era. No books, tapes, DVDs, internet or "help" So I had to waste time, effort and frankly bullets.
Depends on your goal. Be a M? better think in that range of bullets. Win your class at the club? not so much.
Win the Nationals? get busy
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I did it until I felt the smoke was hindering my visual performance and I was also noticing a difference in "feel". Things like recoil impulse, comp timing and torque I started feeling. I don't think its an issue for some people and til later in your development.
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Not what I wanted
all I asked for was Jessica Simpson?
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Do you know any Open M's that don't use a dot? There is your answer. There is one guy I am sure that doesn't but maybe look at the people who win for the answer.
Ill take a dot over a comp and even hi-cap. If I have to just have one Open feature
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Not as easy as you think, Great Practice. No holster required, start from low ready.
Lots of fun and for 2 bucks, ya can't get a decent cup of coffee fer that.
What's so hard about it ??!!
I am going to try to get there.I'm bringing a Couple boxes of bulk pack federal if you need, welcome to borrow.
I may take you up on that. What would I owe ya for 36 rounds ??
Please pass it along to other Ohio shooters. Chad, Stu, Pat etc. if you know their contact info. I'd like to see a few more revolver shootersI'm not telling them punks nothing! In fact, I am going to email McDowel and Chet and let them know that they moved the date or something.
OK...I'll send them an email. Pat has one of those speed loading rimfire wheelies. I doubt he will make the drive though. I think Stu has one too.
36 rds? So you never miss?
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Cocking does nothing but thumb cocking and letting it slip and fall before it is completely cocked is damaging to light trigger jobs. Use the slide for dryfire is the best way from having this happen.
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My current cmore has made the trip back twice before it acts like my last one. No drift but I did have to blue loctite the windage screw as mentioned
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I tune out the "Do you have any questions? How you doing today? The range is going hot! and other statements. You shouldn't make any but even at Nationals you get this stuff.
All I ask is Are you ready? Standby, and not get buzzer jumped.
RO's should never banter before shooting and I have noticed the ones that do run to the targets and never talk to you again. That's the time to talk cause it doesn't matter.
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I have backed up before, I'm fairly quick and put the RO in front of or beside me. I have had to let a couple know that they interfeared with me. You think they would have noticed that I kept my muzzle direction safe and didn't shoot them.
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Should be and Must be are two WAY different phrases
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Woo Hoo Fresh Meat!!!
Great Job Nick
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@ Chris Keen... if you were to click on that link I posted up above, you will get some insight on how that 93 World Shoot went down.
From what I gathered, on one stage they had shooters starting with their hands in a bucket of water, submerged.
That doesn't necessarily seem to be the brightest idea in the world.
Oh dude ........... where's the original thread poster when you say something like that!?!
He's had stages that required you to hold a soda can under water (ice water mind you) prior to the start signal.
Come on Bill ... I miss the old days!
Hands cold and wet? I have ruffled so many panties with that one. Uh we shoot ALL the time with wet, cold hands, See Nationals in Tulsa or many other matches. PS Its a mind $%& shooters
Hands Soapy wet? I don't like it cause it sounds like a problem. running 200 yards Backwards? Uh no too biased to the guy who runs backwards everyday(Give him a freakshow award) See its easy to keep stuff in prospective.
I totally agree if you can't climb the obstacle then we have a rule for that. Go around.
This is the issue. You are to solve the course challenge to the best of your ability. If your ability is limited then that's life and frankly so is everybody at some level. For example an old guy is accurate and young guy can jump over a box.
I just want a shot at solving more challenging courses and see some courses getting weak and boring.
Oh example Nationals has a couple stages two or three years ago in the shape of a W so you had to run backwards. People loved it and called it innovative. You see that challenge at other majors now. Well it ain't innovative and went away a few years ago under the cloak of "safety"
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I was making that point. Everybody has a disability. Tall guys gotta stoop at ports but short guys have more challenge with leaning round walls.
Tall guys get a step and half on short ones. I just run faster. See where I going with this? I think it evens out. I want challenges.
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I think your BS should be SGM
SGM=Super Grand Master
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I was gonna post this on another topic but I think it needs it own topic and since some hackles will raise, we will try to keep the other thread clean.
I guess my personal goal is that MD's understand my point and not be afraid to design a fun and challenging match.
I drift but I like physical challenges, within reason, and I think its the ONLY thing IPSC does right. This is an athletic sport (we run, climb stairs and other stuff) and dumbing it down for the most out of shape people, makes it not fun. Maybe some of those people would be better suited in a different game. Not trying to run people off and yes its about the shooting as the primary stage design goal, but you need to go past stages where you stand upright go to 2 boxes with open targets at 15 yards. Making a match almost physically impossible or too biased toward any one skill is very wrong but I feel a lot of MD's worry too much about making them too easy because the one whiner speaks up. Stage design is always about balance of course.
By the way I'm well over 40, knees get sore and so forth but I like Action shooting. If there is a day I can't do it so be it. I shoot with a guy thats like 70 and I never hear him complain about physical courses. He just does them a little slower. I hope one day that, I'm that guy. Did I just wish to be old and slow?
IPSC is an obstacle course with shooting. That's one of the biggest reasons that we do it right?
If you wanna talk practical then let's say you are in a gunfight and have to run and shoot round something, way off balance? What call time until its an easier physical challenge? No I think you apply the same skills and attitude you do in competition and improvise, overcome, and adapt to solve the problem or shoot the stage to the best of your ability.
Here is a news alert. We all have some physical limitations that we have to get over if we are 20 or 75. Some are short, tall, slow, stupid,arrogant, and so forth..
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That is where you put the batteries in.
What color are you gonna paint it?
Blue is now available in Ohio.
Would that be MICHIGAN Blue ?
No he is a OSU fan but wait, it is kinda grey(bare metal) so maybe scarlett next year.
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Oh yea and regardless of model there is one surefire cure to improve their looks.
Dig a hole 3 feet deep, place Glock in hole, fill with dirt. Repeat as necessary.
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That is where you put the batteries in.
What color are you gonna paint it?
Blue is now available in Ohio.
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Its not all a "picture" of what's up but its the way you approach ROing a stage. If there's no rule you can't then you can. If you are not out then you are in. Its the basis of freestyle and a foundation of our sport.
By the way Troy has been RM at a whole bunch of Nationals and large matches so if he says it is, then its probably true. I have only seen him wrong three times and yes all three of those were doubles Troy.
When I was new, first I learned the rules, up and down. I also tried to listen and learn from people who knew more than I did. I probably should still do that.
is this a legal uspsa shooting position
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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I have brought hundreds into the sport.
I don't pay a $100 to RO but I am big enough to accept the fact if I am wrong. I think I am right in this specific point and back to the point. I will call it procedural and we have rules to determine if it isn't a correct call. If I didn't feel that way in my opinion I am not fit to RO.
If you read my entire post you see that I recommend that its not a good idea to do that position from a compeditors viewpoint.
Pulling on the Skin, the Shoulder, the Scapula or whatever is connected to the shooting arm is support.
You can argue how many angels dancing on the head of the pin or describing foot placement or other non related items as another form of "support". I don't think that is the right approach.
I looked at the pic, mimiced it and determined it was "support" That's how I see it.
As a RO, I make a call and its your right, and mine, as a shooter to challenge via the arb process. Its not a negative thing (in the context that I stated it). What are we supposed to do?