Mat Price
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well I will see tomorrow. I got 8.6 grains hs-6 behind a 124 and 8.8 , 9.0 and 9.2 behing a 115 all jhp all @ 1.165 will report it on my other post its going to take alot to beat my auto comp load.
You are starting at 8.6? That seems high to start off with. I did a ton of reading on here before i did my loads and most are using 8.0 - 8.2. My gun seems slow and 8.2 was only 163 PF in mine but I seem to have the slowest Trubor on the forums. Your loads for the 115 seem inline with what most use.
Use caution!
OK anyone want to buy some autocomp?!?! lol no I have to test this new load with reps on my drills but i will see.
GNG I promise you dont have the slowest trubor on here. There is plenty data with that high of a charge with a 124. HOWEVER with that said see this post link to conversation about hs-6 with most of the people on this thread I have already went that route. Also why did you stop @ 8.2 grains did you see pressure signs? I mean I keep going till I hit the Pf I want or I start seeing primers getting flat.
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well I will see tomorrow. I got 8.6 grains hs-6 behind a 124 and 8.8 , 9.0 and 9.2 behing a 115 all jhp all @ 1.165 will report it on my other post its going to take alot to beat my auto comp load.
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Thanks you are 100% correct Bo are you shooting poplervil tomorrow? . Cha I used your advice today about widening my stance it made shooting around walls so much better!!!
I tried to incorporate what you guys where saying. check this video particularly the first stage. Notice how I step/pivot into a wide stance to shoot around the wall. Worked great!
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ok thanks cha-leeI am going to try that today. that is something i have not picked up on. i put it on my notes for todays match!
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hey O how does that gun shoot? I bet its pretty sweet yeah? TO me your primers look ok. just watch for the edges make sure they stay nice and round. I have found that srp also give me a little boost in PF as well.
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Hello: You will need a little more HS-6 to make major with the 115's HS-6 is softer than Auto Comp. HS- 6 is also cleaner burning up at 171-173PF.
how full is the case with 9grains of HS-6? One of the things I like about AC is that it only fills my case about 3/4 full at 7.3 grains.
+1. That's one of the reasons I switched from HS-6 in my TruBor
to WAC and the 124 grain bullet - lots of room in the case,
and felt "softer" than the HS6/115 grain.
Jack
Yeah jack I am afraid I am going to have get up over 9 grains with the 115 to get where i want and not sure that is going to be a safe load. I am going to move to 8.8 then 9 then 9.2 and see how it goes. I think I can get what i want out of the 124 and hs-6 also but i am not sure yet it is going to replace my autocomp load.
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Mat,
Are you using the full length tubor T2 bbl. I am waiting for your chrono result. Though I am using the shorter tubor bbl in my matcmaster.
yeah i am using the full size tbor with the t-2 comp with your match master and t-1 comp i would really lean toward the hs-6
I think i just have a slow bbl.
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ok and for the results
7.9 grains of h-s 6
124 grain JHP
wolf spp
1.165 aol
mixed brass
10 round
avg 1316
hi 1356
lo 1289
es 63
pf 163
Note: bad dot wiggle and circles. doesnt make major and is a terrible load.
8.3 grains hs-6 15 rounds string
124 grain JHP
wolf spp
1.165
avg 1343
hi 1399
lo 1309
es 90.00 ( hmmm maybe got a light drop)
pf 166
Note: promising about the same as the auto comp load
bump it up to 8.5 grains and check again dot was ok up and down
now for what i really wanted to see
8.3 grains of hs-6 20 shot string
115 FMJ
avg 1346
hi 1385
lo 1328
pf 154.8
8.5 grains hs-6
115 fmj
wolf spp
avg 1373
hi 1398
lo 1325
es 73
pf 157.
ok so its going to take a ton more powder to even get major.
I am out of 115s so I am going to get some more and try again this week. so far though I like the hs-6 with the 124 even at the lower power factor.
so I am going to try 8.5 grains with the 124 and 9 grains with the 115 to see where I am at.
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cool sarge! if you ever want to sell a couple hundred of your 121 let me know i would like to try a few myself.
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I am really happy with 7.3 grain Ac load with srp and 124 JHP @ 1.165
but my curiosity has been peeked by more gas!
I found when i run the pf up in my gun to around 175 it gets really nice with autocomp
I am going to try some hs-6 with both 124 and 115 to get some more gas to run this lacking STI t-2 comp
will report back
starting @ 7.9 hs-6 with the 124 and 8.5 with the 115 FMJ @ 1.165 lets see how they roll
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hey matt I am pretty big guy too. What i have noticed is we have to work harder at being explosive out of positions. I just put up a video of my last match. Take a look at it. I have to really be aware of my movements from spot to spot. you just have to make the decision to move quick and hard and it will happen. My advice move hard be explosive the shooting looks pretty good.
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hey guys can you give me some help. I need to start really working these stages batter.
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hands down mike seeklanders book. It gave me a method to my madness. That was the biggest thing that started the ball rolling is some structure in my routine. Having measurable metrics to combine with Benos concept. the one two combination.
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every lone wolf bbl in every caliber I ever owned had to be opened up to shoot lead. the KKM bbls never had that problem. I think lonewolf does this because they know comp shooters will always reload most of the time and the can scam 35 bucks out of them. This is why i stopped using their products.
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First thing is I have been shooting through my chronny @ about 10+ yards. so my results always seemed slower than every one else today i moved it up to 10 feet per uspsa rules ( min ten feet to first screen )
10 shot string
7.3 grains of autocomp
124 precision delta JHP
mixed brass
1.165 oal
wolf SRP
avg
1409
h 1426
l 1365 ?
es 61
pf 174
5 shot
avg 1414
h 1420
l 1407
es 13
pf 175
this is out of my trubor no holes trubor t-2 comp
I am going to try some 115's and hs-6 just for grins but i really like this load. dot moves slow to the top of the lens and slaps back to center. feels soft and pretty good accuracy.
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Eric what are you loading behind a 115?
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yeah just seems like 7.4 grains of auto comp to get 171 -172 is a lot of powder to what others are seeing in there similar guns. I am going to load up some 7.4 and re chrony and see what i get.
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yeah i am just a little iffy about 115's and a/c no one seems ot have tried it with much success. and since i have 8 lbs of it i think the easier thing is to try 121's before trying a new powder.
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I have tried HS-6 but never really cared for it. But i never really run it up to 170 +. I am toying with the Idea of trying some hs-6 with some 115s
or since i have 8 lbs of auto comp getting some 121 ifp
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I am not sure why but going from a mid 168 PF to a solid 170 ( 170.8) made a HUGE differance in how my trubor 9mm major performs.
My usual load is 7.1 Gr of auto comp behind a 124 gr JHP with a wolf SRP I get 168- 169 PF. feels good, shoots soft, decent dot movement hits the top of the lens drops right back to center.
For no reason in particular I tried 7.3 grains of auto comp. Well I thought maybe i could get a little less dot movement. What i found was that i didnt get any less motion but WOW.
This is a trubor with a T-2 comp. It has not been cut on at all but has had all the bells and whistles every place else. trigger ect.
OK @ 170 power factor in this gun it just flat shoots! I can't really explain it. The slide seems to cycle faster is feels softer to shoot it feels balanced. It feels tuned. just that little bit of difference in power factor.
I did not get any huge difference in actual movement of the dot in the lens. But what happens is the dot moves much slower and just a little less high in the lens and quickly snaps back to center.
Is this a common thing and i wonder if I moved it up to 171 solid if i would get a little bit better performance. However with that said I was seeing 1 in maybe 10 rounds with the ever so slight evidence of primer flattening.
here is my data
7.3 grains of auto comp
124 grain precsion delta JHP @ 1.165 OAL
wolf SRP
5 shot groups
string1 string 2
avg 1370 1374
hi 1388 1393
low 1351 1366
es 37 27
pf 170 170
I am thinking about bumping up to 7.4 grains to be certain i am always just a bit above above 170
BTW it seems my bbl is slow compared to what others report @ this charge.
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Well the report is they fire fine but 4/100 ft fire with light strikes. So practice only
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Thats what i am thinking jack. I was going to use them for practice and local matches. I have like 30K of them. I have yet to find a primer my trubor wont set off though with the ext pin. I always shoot wolf SRP and never have an issue.
I was just wondering if i would see increased presure or something. I think i am going to drop the load fronm 7.2 grains of AC to 6.7 and re chrony and work up from there.
Mat
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I use wolf. Sep now
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Has anyone ever used magnum rifle primers in 9 major or 38 super major? And if so how did they work? Because I have an over abundance of them, and I don't have a rifle to shoot them with. I'm thinking of trying them in my 9 major round which is 7.2 gr ac at 1.165 with a 124 jhp.
going out to test some hs-6 and 115 in 9 major today
in 9mm/38 Caliber
Posted
ok so here it goes all the data I got from todays session with the pumped up loads.
remember gun is a stock trubor 9mm with no holes and t-2 comp
my normal load is 7.3 grains of auto comp
behind a 124 delta prec. JHP @1.165 with a wolf small rifle primer.
this load gave me 177 pf today over a five shot string but i suspect a heavy drop on one round I ususally get 175 out of it
now the new load and i will start with what seems at first with an initial reaction better than my autocomp load.
8.5 grains of Hs-6
124 delta Prec. JHP
oal 1.165
wolf SRP
5 shot string
avg 1413
hi 1443
lo 1396
es 47
pf 175
Ok this load seemed better than my autocomp load at the same power factor and here is why. TO ME!!! this load has different impulse. ITs more like shooting a .38 super. Its softer in the hand and the dot tracks up as fast as it tracks down. My auto comp load the dot track up slowly than snaps back down. This load it seems to just move a little and drops back to center really fast.
brass
8.5 grains of Hs-6
124 delta Prec. JHP
oal 1.170
wolf SRP
5 shot string
avg 1398
hi 1421
lo 1383
es 38
pf 173
pretty much the same as above load. but the impulse is better on the 1.165 load
I am not really going to comment on the 115's just to say they where nearly the same dot movement as the 124 and softer but i did not like the impulse. so here is the data period
8.8 grains Hs-6
115 horny xtp JHP @ 1.165
wolf srp
avg 1434
pf 165
felt snappy and odd bad dot tracking circles
9.0 grains Hs-6
115 horny xtp JHP @ 1.165
wolf srp
avg 1477
pf 169
better dot tracking soft in the hand poppy feels like a mid length gun not for me
9.2 grains Hs-6
115 horny xtp JHP @ 1.165
wolf srp
avg 1494
pf 171
great dot movment very soft in the hand almost the same impulse as the 124 no pressure signs
ok with all that said. It seems like 8.5 grains with a 124 jhp @ 1.165 is the best load out of this gun so far just for slow fire and rapid fire dot tracking and impulse. I will run my drills and compare the numbers against my auto comp load. but i can say right now the dot tracking is much better with Hs-6 in this gun. I really like the slow burp impulse compared to the faster crack of the autocomp and hs-6 with 115