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I want to thank everyone who supported our matches. Running two matches back to back was a challenge but it went well. Scores are completed and will be posted as soon as we can convert them to a format my website will work with! Congratulations to Chuck Anderson who won both matches! I will try to get them up tomorrow before I leave for Ironman. We will let everyone know how much we raised when I get back and all the bills are accounted for. I think we did pretty good but I want to give an accurate account. There were so many people who stepped up to support our events. One gentleman sponsored 6 slots which we gave out to some very deserving competitors. One of them was a young girl who had a Cheshire Cat grin most of the day. She did tell her dad that if he bought any more high base slugs, she was going to slug him! The BBQ dinner was a hit at the Expo Center in Albany. Rifle Match Sponsor STS Arms gave us 2K worth of Cerakote certificates for the prize table, supplied 2 SBRs for the dark house and the full auto AR for the Zombie shoot. R&R Targets supplied steel targets and the 13" Saiga shotgun for the dark house. The dark house sponsors were great! Crimson Trace, STS Arms, R&R Targets, I-Squared Night Vision Wholesale Sports and Double Tap Ammo. I especially want to thank Pete Lesbo with I-Squared Night Vision. Pete is a very special person. Always fun to be around, very smart and incredibly kind to let us wear thousands of dollars of his gear to run around in the dark with! If you are contemplating night vision please give Pete a shout. Accu-Shot's one shot challenge was one by Jeff Capellen. We raffled the Sig Sauer P522 pistol donated by Philomath Gun Shop and it was won by Jodi Herrling from Emagine Marketing Solutions. I set out to accomplish three things when I started these matches. Raise money for Marine Sgt Joshua Sweeney's home in Hillsboro Oregon, have a safe match and to have fun. It appears we accomplished those goals. Thanks for supporting our Wounded Veterans and I am already getting requests to do it again. As Meatloaf would say, "Let me sleep on it"

On our pistol bay stages we try to shoot all the steel targets first, then the paper. So on pistol/rifle engage steel with pistol then paper with rifle. Pistol/shotgun can go either way depending on target arrays and shotgun/rifle would start with shotgun on steel.

Calling all Saiga and Akdal owners! If you have a Saiga or Akdal you don't compete with it because it bumps you to open we have a division just for box fed shotguns. No optic, no comp and 12 round max mags. I know there are more in the Pacific NW than the 3 we have registered so far. Dust that puppy off and bring it on out!

Thanks for helping support our wounded Veterans Doug. That 17 second run you made yesterday looked pretty "tuned" to me! The steel in Parma will quake at the mention of your name

Thanks! Yes we still have 20 openings for the rifle match and 30 for the shotgun match. Just added a Sig Sauer pistol for the shotgun match prize table courtesy of Philomath guns! Great to have you in the match. See you in 5 weeks. Brian

What started out as plaque matches now have $10000+ in prize table support! Thanks to STS Arms, Crimson Trace Lasers, R&R Targets, Ergo Grips, Schuemann Barrels, Philomath Guns, Bo-Mack's BBQ, Geissele Automatics, I-Squared Night Vision, Next Generation Arms, Brownells, Sierra Bullets, Altama Boots, Timney triggers, ATI, Accu-Shot, Otis, Elzetta, Laughing Rabbit, Dura-Coat, M-Pro7, Extreme Beam, Birchwood Casey, Sentry Solutions, Higher Capacity, Sentry Solutions, C&M Targets, UniqueTek and Flying Cloud Trading Post so far! Our Benefit Match beneficiary, Homes For Our Troops, has chosen Marine Sgt Joshua Sweeney as the next recipient for a specially adapted home to be built in Hillsboro, Oregon. He was severely wounded in Afghanistan on October 28th, 2009. All net proceeds from our matches will go toward building his home. Shoot a match, help a Vet. Sounds like a winning combination! 6 stage Rifle match round count- 136 + dark house. 6 stage Shotgun match 117 + dark house. Stages will be on the website soon. Registration My link Come on out and enjoy a beautiful Oregon Weekend and help a truly deserving Veteran.

Congratulations on your success! You are obviously building a fun match every month. Staging and clearing firearms and resetting seem to burn the most time at our matches. I try to consider those issues when designing the stages. As our numbers grow I am considering adding a stage but reducing the round count per stage. That will give us smaller squads and quicker stages. It also sounds like you could use more help. We knock $5 off for any shooter who shows up early and actually helps set up. I am considering raising our match fee by $5. If shooters break down the stages and get it put away, they get $5 back. If not, it gives me some extra money to pay some of our hungrier and devoted helpers for their efforts. Hopefully it will get us all on the road a little sooner. A wise man once told me "when you take over a leadership role, you should immediately start grooming your replacements". Slightly off topic but important to keeping matches going! Good luck and keep us posted on how your experiments work.

I have been looking at this reticle for some time now. Does one need to have the software for this reticle to get the full capabilities out of it? I have a NightForce and absolutely love the thing. I can count the hairs on a fly's ass at a 100 yards. Their customer service is great. Another thing I like about NightForce, of course its not that big of a deal, is their rings. When I bought my NF scope and rings I didn't have to bore sight. The POI was only off 2.25" at 100 yards, but my base is integrated into the receiver so this may have made the difference. Another nice item is NF puts out their own Ballistics software. Again, not a big deal but it is nice. I have not seen the software you mentioned. The horus site had a little game you could play to see how it works. I wasn't impressed with the horus scopes or their repair and warranty policy. Mil turrets with a mil based reticle, or MOA with both, will make adjustments more intuitive.

I have not had any time behind the Nightforce but have heard nothing but good about them. I use a Mark 4 M5 ERT 6.5 to 20 2nd focal plane with the H27 Horus reticle. It is a busy reticle and takes a little time to get used to. Once you do, you can engage multiple distance targets and hold for wind without taking your eye off the scope. No dialing needed until over 7 or 8 mils. Engagement times on targets were so fast I took it off the Rem 700 and put it on a LR308. The only drawback is the field of veiw on high power scopes. It works best at 400 yards and further, hence the "ERT" title!

If you are looking for a great way to warm up for the upcoming 3 gun season and live in the Pacific Northwest we still have openings for our Wounded Veteran Benefit matches. Knock the rust off your rifle and shotgun and work the kinks out of your gear with 2 days of focused shooting. Our matches follow basic 3 gun rules and allow you to focus on rifle skills on Saturday and your shotgun on Sunday. The matches start roughly 10 days before Ironman so you can be sharp for the marathon in Parma. We are using new double pigeon flippers from R&R Targets that you will also experience at the Northwest Multigun Challenge in July. All net proceeds go to help severely wounded Veterans as well. If you own a Saiga but don't want to shoot open, we have a special divison for you. The Box Fed division is for the Saiga or other magazine fed shotguns with no optics or comp modifications. Visit My link for more information and the registration form.

I have witnessed the spinner turned with fairly light loads with amazing speed, like 5 to 10 seconds. My first experience with the spinner I ran out of pistol ammo,thankfully, without spinning it. The 2 most important components are 1- don't miss and 2- time your shot. It is all about momentum. Shoot too early or miss and you kill your swing. Shoot too late and a good hit does not transfer enough energy to do you much good. What is too early/too late? That is where Scott's suggestion of buying one comes in!

A very big THANK YOU to all who warned about the windage turrets getting moved during competitions! Saturday was my first match using the Vortex 1-4 PST. On my first stage I pulled my AR off my cart, glanced down at the turrets and noticed my windage turret was set at 4 mils! I guessed which direction to turn it, made ready and shot the stage. I guessed right so no drama on the targets. I will be coming up with a way to prevent accidental movement in the future. As far as the scope goes, I really like the reticle. Clear, easy to transition to targets. A very big improvement over my previous optic. Still need a mount to move the scope forward but other than the turret issue on the 1st stage I feel this scope is a great all around choice for 3 gun.

I prefer 7 to 10 per squad. There seems to be a human nature component that turns a big squad into slugs. When you have 12 or more the mindset becomes "there are plenty of people here to reset so I don't need to be out there every time". Yes it is up to the RO to motivate the squad but with smaller squads it just seems to monitor itself. That being said if you have to have bigger squads, keep them as small as you can.

I like having longer shots at a match and agree that backers and 3 to 4 moa is neccesary to keep the match "fun" for all involved. But if I could put a target out further than 400 yards I probably would. In our monthly match our 400 yard 12" plate is a bonus target. The targets that mess with the shooters alot are a 10" plate at 280 yards with a 8" plate at 200 yards that look roughly side by side. The optical illusion makes them look like the same distance. Even though everyone knows the distances it still causes misses. As big brown dog said, it can be challenging at closer distances. But the voices in my head always want more

The Nova has never let me down in 5 years of multigun. Looks a little back to the future for a WW2 class though!

I just picked up a 1-4 Viper PST with the TMCQ MRAD reticle. It has been good in practice and I will know more after our multigun match next Sunday. I prefer MRAD to MOA because I have other scopes in MRAD and the math for ranging is easier for me.

I am fairly new to shooting long range as well AlamoShooter and past 50. I was having the same problem also. I started closing my eyes while running the bolt and that helped with the eye fatigue. The other thing I had a issue with was a sore neck after a long bout of prone shooting. I started doing neck exercises to strengthen my neck and get it used to the "looking straight up" position. I can't prove it but I think it helped the blood flow through my carotid arteries as well. The scope doesn't turn darker later in the string anymore.

Hanging clays at 40 to 50 yards or any target in the 3 to 4 moa range. The challenge is to balance the targets for the iron sight and the scope shooters. Good contrast with target and backers really helps the iron sight shooters and should be considered a "must have" over 100 yards.

Those are great slides. Well done StealthyBlagga! When I became the md at our club, we made up a online rules page, safety booklet and 10 question test for new shooters. If we receive a call about our match we send them to the website to get familiar with the basics. We also offer a reservation required "Intro to Multigun" class the Saturday before our match. It is a great way to meet new shooters and get a good feel for their abilities without a audience or timer. After going over the safety rules and range rules we run them through a small stage off the clock. If they show good control and awareness we run it on the timer at a walking pace. If all goes well they shoot the match starting last and informing the RO it is their first match. Most have done well with this approach. This is time consuming for us but we have had very positive results with it. You won't regret the effort!

In looking at a match from the outside, where does fairness place? A match is a assembly line. You have "X" number of shooters going through "Y" number of stages in "Z" number of hours or days. There is some wiggle room built in for unforseen events. If we apply the highest value of importance to fairness, the assembly line will stop. A three day match might take a week but it will be more fair! Nevermind the missed flights or lack of ROs who needed to be elsewhere at some point. I am not saying there isn't room for improvement and I think that is your main point Jessie. But in one of your posts you stated that what you can sell off the prize table supports your trips. I am happy for you that you receive enough off the prize tables to do so. I shoot as many matches as I can afford to as well, but my vote for the highest position on the importance list is fun. When traveling home, dog tired and beat up, if I am smiling and looking forward to next year my 3 gun world is complete. I enjoy the prolific amount of subjects you post and look forward to the next one. Stimulating conversation is how new ideas become tomorrow's norm.

I am pleased to announce that Robert Wright from R&R Targets has stepped up to sponsor our 6 stage Practical Shotgun Match to benefit wounded Veterans on Sunday May 27th, 2012. Thanks Robert! The website is up at My link. Registration is open and the form is on the website. There will be 4 shotgun divisions: Open, and it is, Box Fed, Semi and pump. There is also a 6 stage Practical Rifle Match the day before. This a great cause and a perfect way to warm up for the Summer shooting season. If you have any questions email me at Email me Thanks, Brian

So in thinking about frangible targets if I took Pat's idea of cardboard and combined it with a clay by inserting a cardboard disc into the clay I would have a "verifiable" target. The cardboard disc would be retreived and scored. A hole from a pellet would score. The clay then becomes a delivery system instead of a target

In reading this entire thread again the main complaint is "flying clays are unfair because". If I buy into this concept then every 3 gun stage I have ever shot is unfair "because" of the wind, the sun, the rain, the empty hulls and casings, the mud, a cloud, the headlights, the whistle pig, etc. without even going into targets. I guess the only way to make this sport fair is to build a indoor climate controlled range, make sure we are all equally rested before our run and have nothing but 100% reviewable targets. I agree calls go both ways but I am here because it is the most fun I have ever had in sports. If I wanted a perfect sport I guess I would take up chess! Until that time LONG LIVE THE CLAY

You might consider less magnification than 8.5-25. Your field of view gets pretty small and target acquisition is more difficult. For $700 my vote is the Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10 with the mil rad reticle. http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-2-5-10x44-riflescope-with-ebr-1-mrad-reticle/reticle Here is a link to the reticle http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/sub_viper-pst_210s1-mrad_details.jpg If you are looking for the tightest groups on long range stationary targets then the high magnification is great. Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary.

One of the main things to consider when designing a stage is reset time. If it takes 10 or 15 minutes to remove the destroyed targets and reset the new ones it will take too long to run your squads through