just wanted to say thanks for all the replys and great info.I must say it was quite a difficult choice but I did end up with the leupold and the horus reticle.I own 3 leupolds on hunting rifles and have always been happy with them and I am sure that the level of leupold I am getting will be that much better. I know the nightforce is a great optic but I guess im going to keep it in the family and im sure I will be pleased,thanks for all the help.