DavidMarlow

That's the reason I suspected. .45 loaded down to minor, huh? I may have to try that. Flight time measured with a sun dial. That could be fun. I wonder if I could use Ramshot Silhouette for that so I don't have to buy a different powder. TIME TO DO SOME LOOKING!!

Forgive me if this has been covered, but a search with "production" and "major" yielded nothing on this topic. Heck for all I know, I've already asked this myself. If it has been covered elsewhere, I won't be butthurt if mods delete this post after pointing me in the right direction. Why doesn't USPSA recognize major PF in Production division? The only thing I could come up with is that it might reduce the number of Production shooters running 9mm, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. I know, we have L-10, but to be competitive there, you're talking different mag pouches and holster. It seems odd that USPSA would even entertain the idea of a Production Optics division to accomodate slide-mounted RDS when they are still such a small segment of the firearms industry, yet don't have accomodations for the large number of people who own pistols in .40 and .45 who don't want to spend the money on aftermarket work and race holsters or mag pouches. It would seem to me that a way to get new members would be to let them run their "calibers than begin with a 4" and be competitive with common equipment.

I don't see how a classification system can be effective in a shooting discipline like this, but I can see how classifier stages can assist in practicing fundamentals used in 3 gun matches. My club rarely hosts any sort of multi gun match, and driving hours away to large matches or other clubs to practice can be very expensive. Other than working one gun at a time or creating a little makeshift stage all by myself, shooting the whopping three local matches I have shot is my only multigun practice, so having these preformatted stages can be helpful in seeing if my skills are improving over time, as opposed to seeing how my skills stack up against ever-changing stages shot at different places, under different rules, and against different competitors.

I know this thread is old, but thanks very much for posting it. I shot a club match this past weekend with a shooting area that had everybody working hard to figure out which way to go, until an eight year-old kid asked his dad if he could just run outside the shooting area to the next target array. Immediately I knew "Yep, we sure can", and the lightbulb blinked on for everyone. It was then I realized I need a checklist of some sort to help me with stage planning.

I shoot at the COPS range near Rolla. We'll be having the 2014 Fall Classic in October and the USPSA Area 3 multigun match in November. I'm really looking forward to that one. Jerry Miculek shot it last year and he's one of the shooters I really look up to and would love to shoot against in a head to head shoot off. He'd kick my butt, but it would be really cool to say I got beat one on one by one of the best in the world. Kinda like getting into a boxing match with Mike Tyson. The difference there is I'm pretty sure Mr Miculek wouldn't eat my face after beating me.

My goals for each stage: Showdown - 13 seconds Smoke and Hope - 10 seconds 5 to Go - 15 seconds Accelerator - 15 seconds Speed Option - 15 seconds Roundabout - 13 seconds The Pendulum - 15 seconds Outer Limits - 17 seconds Those times would put me almost in the top five of Production during the 2014 S&W Steel Nationals, so if I can do it during training with low stress, I assume match jitters would kick in, but I'd still be in the top ten. That's the hope, anyway.

I'm just getting back into competitive shooting after a year or so off to focus on hunting and finding ammo, but now that I'm back at it, I'm running around like a chicken with its head cut off, trying to figure out which path to take. I love Steel Challenge because I don't have to worry about stage breakdown, when to reload, which targets to fling rounds at and which ones to get A zone hits, it's just raw speed and accuracy. On the other hand, three gun matches are a whole lot more fun than running with scissors and my background in the army has given me an appreciation for being a jack of all trades and I love every projectile launcher I've ever gotten my hands on. Being dumb hurts me in practical shooting, though, because sticking to my plan after the buzzer sounds is not something I'm real good at. I think for this range diary, I'll focus mostly on Steel Challenge training, as it is much more conducive to tracking progress and failure with the set stage design. My hope is that other members here who have progressed in their own journey to attain a blend of speed and accuracy can provide me tips to train intelligently with my ammo and not just blow off rounds for the sake of saying "I shoot 12,000 rounds a year". My big goal right now is to place in the top ten in Production at next year's S&W Steel Nationals. I shoot a Glock 34 with iron sights, and below are the most current times I have in a club level match Roundabout 17.34 Smoke and Hope 11.35 Accelerator 17.11 Speed Option 17.98 Five to Go 17.37 The other stages weren't shot at my club, but I will be setting them up and shooting them myself. I think I have progressed beyond the point of benefitting from any major technique changes, but I will attempt to post links to my Youtube channel when I have some video of my practice for review and critique. Thanks in advance to anybody who actually takes the time to read this and can offer useful advice or tips.

I know this is kinda old, but another thing to try for cross dominance is to cant the top of the weapon a few degrees inboard until your strong eye picks up the sights. By bringing the whole weapon over to where it's in front of your dominant eye, you throw your muscles out of alignment to really manage recoil and make fast follow-up shots. If you simply cant the weapon slightly, your forearms can actually help control the weapon. At closer ranges, 15 meters and less or so, you can still aim center mass and get your hits. At longer ranges, you may want to offset your point of aim slightly. If you are shooting right handed, aim slightly lower and to the right, go low and left if you are left handed. Every shooter is going to deal with cross dominance at some point, whether it's a SHO/WHO stage in competition or training to shoot WHO in the event your dominant hand is injured.

Yeah, that much water would result in a muddy mess, but I don't think it'd be any worse than a two-day match in the rain. And as anybody who has ever shot water-filled milk jugs can attest, there aren't many reactive targets more fun than that. Even after I get the plan for the match ironed out, it'll still be at least a couple months just to collect enough jugs and bottles to have a decent-sized match. I really hope to get this done and post some stuff online sometime after the new year.

Good thought on the reset time, elkboy. If I fill all the containers prior to the match, reset will still take longer than scoring and taping paper targets, but it shouldn't take too much longer. Target stands might be an issue, as I doubt having them all sit on the ground would be much fun. I like the idea of using 2 liter bottles, and the suggestion of using 20 oz soda bottles has me thinking of using those as bonus targets for scoring purposes, kinda like disappearing targets in USPSA. The recycling bin thing brings up another thought; since it's something outside the norm, chances are decent that I could get local news coverage (after I've run a couple matches first to work out all the bugs), and making a point that all containers are going to a recycle point afterward rather than into a local landfill where they'd otherwise go could give local tree huggers a warm and fuzzy. Well, except for all the toxic metal being launched through the containers into the hillside, but noone's perfect, right?

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate area for this, and if not, please let me know where it should go. I have an idea I've been kicking around for some time and I wonder if anybody here has seen it, done it, or even heard of it; I'd like to try putting together a shooting competition where the targets are water-filled milk jugs. Everybody likes shooting at things filled with water, and a pistol, or even better, three-gun match where all the targets are water-filled milk jugs seems like it could be a whole lot of fun. It seems like an action shooting match where things blow up could make a decent fundraising event as it would be more spectator-friendly than a typical USPSA or IDPA-type match. My question for members here is what kinds of special considerations or possible hurdles might I want to keep in mind before beginning this effort? I know bullets do srange things when they hit water, but I can't see it being any more dangerous than a match involving steel targets. Come to think of it, water-filled jugs and steel targets would be even more fun and reduce the total number of milk jugs needed. The number of jugs is, of course, an issue, and I would probably have to either keep the round counts on stages low or restrict the number of competitors (Unless I could get match sponsorship from Hiland, of course). My last question on this is how should I go about trying to get match sponsorship from established companies? Should I just start contacting different companies when I get the match planned out and approved at a club, or should I wait until we've done a couple of them to establish credibility? I have zero experience in organizing matches, but I would love to see something like this take place, escpecially if I could make proceeds go to a worthy cause like local food banks, or the Wounded Warrior Project, or even local 4H shooting programs. I appreciate any input that might help me plan this out more intelligently.

I know this is an old thread, but it's exactly the same issue I'm having. I'm getting around .004" difference in my Lee single stage with Lee seating die and was wondering if anyone else knows why. I'm using Montana Gold 124 JHP and it seems that the OAL shouldn't change much, regardless of the case length or bullet length. The variations I'm getting, though, are all long. For instance, My intended OAL is 1.130", and most of my rounds end up coming out at 1.133-1.134". I could understand if some were coming out to 1.128, but nothing comes out shorter. These dies have screw adjustments, so the seating plug "drifting" doesn't seem to make much sense, but what could it be?

I'm seeing some much lower charges for Power Pistol than Alliant has listed on their website. I'm trying to develop a minor load with power pistol using 124 gr Montana Gold JHP and Win SP primers. I tried three charges, 6 gr, 6.2 gr, and 6.4 gr, all having an OAL of 1.130" and all three, while showing pretty good accuracy by hitting about point of aim at 45 yds, seemed a bit stout compared to most standard pressure loads I've fired. Alliant lists 6.4 gr and an OAL of 1.125" for 124 gr JHP. Do these charges seem a bit much for those of you who have used them?

Thanks for the quick replies. One question regarding OAL. Does increasing it raise or lower velocities assuming everything else stays the same? Again, thanks for the quick replies. I'll do some more in-depth load testing after the shoot, but my retarded butt looked at a load guide and figured a velocity avg in a 4 inch barrel would be even better in a 5.3 inch barrel. Guess I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Moderators or admin, feel free to delete this topic after Saturday, I'm sure it has been covered, but I'm starting a new thread to try and draw more attention than simply posting on an existing thread. I have a club-level shoot on Saturday, and when I went to chrono my loads, I found the avg velocity below the 125 floor for minor. The load I'm using: 124 gr MG JHP 5.2 gr Ramshot Silhouette Mixed Brass Rem SP primers OAL 1.116 I'm shooting it out of a G34, stock barrel and have max velocities of 1077. The Ramshot load data lists 5.6 gr as max load under a 124 gr Hornady XTP, which is the closest bullet to mine they have. Tomorrow is the last chance I have for chronographing loads, and because of work I may not even be able to do that. Now the match is club level with no classifier stages, so I doubt anybody will be running a chrono, but based on results I have seen, nobody shooting a production gun has placed any better than 19th out of an average of 30 or so shooters, and I am quite capable of doing better based on the names of participants that I recognize. I want to make a good showing for production division, but I want to be within the rules whether they check or not. Can anybody give me a good load with the components that I've listed that lets me average 130 or so PF? Thanks for any assistance.