Tree Rat

Another note concerning Clays and Minor 40.......... I load 155 FMJ-FP's to 1.140 for my single stack. At that length, you can't get any lower than 136 PF even at start charge of 3.6. The cases fall at my feet for the lightest recoil you can imagine......using a 10# spring. TR

Who are you refering to? TR

Well good for you.........Shooting with talent always raises my scores. TR

We don't need no stinking stake.......wouldn't be safe on the pivot besides.....Face up on the high house and take the overhead incoming screamer, then shift to the quartering away sinker. Repeat facing the low house, both thrown as doubles. Let the quartering away bird get past the low house before taking the shot for added difficulty. No trick for anyone..huh? TR

Quote: from Erik Warren on 10:23 am on Oct. 1, 2002 But if you use your barrel as a gauge, you run the chance of gauging with the bulge at the ramp position, passing the chamber test, but then later failing to chamber in the barrel when the bulge is indexed away from the ramp. Plus, a gauge on the bench is easier to get to than a barrel in a gun in the safe. You got that right........ TR

Why not? TR

Hey Bill.......What they said......except chokes backing out during a session is a problem me thinks. Keep the threads clean and lube the first two threads only with a grease of your choice........... I'll trade you some Tetra (what I use) for some of the Slide-Glide...to demo. TR

I use "fun skeet" to tune up for Sporting. 1. Shoot all your singles as trappers choice following pairs. 2. Shoot doubles only any order on 3, 4, 5.......... 3. Shoot reverse doubles on 1, 2, 6, 7............. 4. Doubles on 8.......... TR

EricW has it right........I would add that the FCD is a MUST in 40, especially if you insist on loading Glock fired brass. I ascert that it's use with other calibers, especially lower pressure types like 45 ACP really yields no great benefit. Press smoothness is significantly reduced IMHO. Micro adjustment of the Platen seems to help but really it's the price you pay for the performance you attain with the FCD.........when you need it. TR

A correction concerning N350 vs Powerpistol loads in that equal loading's of N350 and Powerpistol in 40 S&W reveals....... N350 is 50 FPS faster, shoots softer with none of the brilliant flash exhibited by Powerpistol...... TR

I've been playing with the V V line for a couple of months now. Here is what I have learned: Purpose comparisons: N310 vs Clays and 125 PF 40 S&W 155 FMJ-FP. Both meter good (+/-.2), both are very clean, V V has slightly less flash, Clays average better SD's. Clays is as clean, meters just as well, displays a bit more flash, displays slightly better ballistics and is significantly cheaper when compared with N310. (FOR ME)......Clays also doubles as THE powder for 12 gauge target loads. N320 vs WST vs Titegroup and 125 PF 9x19mm 115 FMJ, 165 PF 40 S&W 180 and 165 PF 200 45 ACP. WST has significantly softer recoil of the bunch. WST and Titegroup meter Excellant (+/- .1) while N320 is good (+/.2), Titegroup is highly energetic with 37% nitro content and is not sensitive to casefill (but easy to double charge). Also means it's "snappy" and has a really robust report but with very mild flash (same as N320 for flash) WST has mild flash except in revolvers where it is moderate. TG's increased recoil makes it less desirable than WST for competition but it's really cool for moderate blasting. Titegroup has phenomenally uniform ballistics with SD's always around the 6.0 - 10.0 range in 9mm, 40 and 45. N320 is cleanest followed by Titegroup (especially when pressured up) and WST. TG most likely the cheapest pistol powder available. N350 vs Powerpistol for Hi-Performance 9mm/40 S&W. Both have nearly identical ballistics in 40 S&W. Power pistol is THE flash king, brilliant in all calibers, meters excellent. Powerpistol has the edge in velocity in 9mm and is used for NATO 124 FMJ production. Pro's: V V exhibits nearly ZERO flash. N350 would be THE choice for a factory duplication, defense low light practice load. Con's: Cost is significantly higher at between $6.00 to $8.00 per lb difference in addition to suffering from more limited availability. Clays, WST, Titegroup have as good or better characteristics and are readily available. Load safe and as always your mileage may vary... TR (Edited by Tree Rat at 7:23 am on Sep. 4, 2002)

What are you loading for? 155/125PF loads, I'd go with 3.6 - 4.0 of Clays. 180/165PF loads, I'd go with 5.5 - 6.0 of WST. 155 and 165 Hi-performance loads, I'd go with 7.4 -7.8 and 6.7 -7.5 of Power pistol respectively. Work up any load slowly.....your mileage may vary. TR

bulm5........started at 1.125 until it got reliable at 1.140. Single stack Kimber. TR

Titegroup......Excellent in a bunch of calibers with super low SD's. Cheap and meters well. It does have an impressive report a direct result of it's 37% nitro content, but does so with nearly zero flash. Good overall propellant but to snappy for competition IMHO. WST......Softest shooting in it's speed range (only Clays is softer when comparing 125 PF loads). Meters well with some flash especially in Revolvers. The best 165 PF propellant for competition IMHO..... I load 4.6 WST under a Star 180 FP that shoots 168 PF from a Kimber Stainless Target 40....your milegage may differ. TR

Oustanding Bill! Some of the guys who shot Friday came to Va Commonwealth Cups blazin and captured or placed high in SSP/ESP/CDP. TR

And when you do tear up all your brass....you can't have any of mine TR

Both seem oddly close according to the data. TR

.......... TR (Edited by Tree Rat at 1:19 pm on May 8, 2002) (Edited by Tree Rat at 7:20 pm on May 10, 2002)

If you don't mind being WAY over power factor and have to stay with VV powders then that's okay I guess. I suggest 3.8-4.0 Clays for a 125-130 PF load that shoots REAL soft with the 155. Why do you have to load that long for your gun? Tree Rat.

How about that bark.......like that in all loads with Titegroup. Tree Rat.

How do you like that Kimber? Stainless Target? Tree Rat.

Contact information.......web site? Tree Rat. (Edited by Tree Rat at 3:36 pm on Feb. 2, 2002)

Very few want to be one......Tree Rat.