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In one word, YES! I ran an 1100 for a few matches but ended up having short stroking problems with it. This is with the gas ports opened up too. It became a serious matter to have an ultra-reliable gun when it took dump on me during a stage at the LaRue 3-Gun in 09. Four FTN's on what started out to be a good run convinced me that I needed something better. I spent the money and got an M2 with a 21 VR and it has been my best investment yet. There are several people that have run Remingtons for a while with good luck. I am just not one of them.

If the fiber optic front doesn't make it for you, try these. http://www.xssights.com/store/specialty.html Modified works for me.

Thought I'd re Hi-Jack my thread and look for some help to questions between these shotguns. Thanks! Since I ranted on about other stuff.......... There is no limit to barrel length, but 21" to 22" has been the common length. Maximum of 9 rounds loaded when starting a stage in Limited.

Ghost rings are good in fighting situations, but you will be faster and just as accurate in competition using a rib and good front sight. I used ghost rings for years on working guns, but I have moved on to XS Sights DEA style sights because of the increased speed in aligning express type sights. It is much faster to put the XS dot in the shallow rear than to center a post or dot in a rear aperature, even ghost ring in size. Ghost rings are more intrinsically accurate than other systems when using slugs, but you have to consider how often you will be shooting slugs. The advantage of the longer barrels is also that many of them have an interchangeable choke system. There are several 18" tactical guns with chokes too, but you are usually stuck with a standard bead front or ghost ring systems. I made the switch when I began practicing on moving targets. I found that I was considerably faster using a rib with a good front. I was able to track and shoot the moving targets more effectively because I was not having to align the front post in the ghost ring and then try to locate the target with all that clutter. An easy way to try this is to go out and shoot a round of sporting clays with both systems. You will find that the rib system is a considerably faster and easier way to break those birds. If you want to stick with tactical type shotguns, look at the XS Sight Systems DEA style sights. They can be mounted on most any plain barrel and a quite fast. They are very low profile too, allowing the shooter to keep a consistent cheek weld on the stock. I run the XS system for vent rib guns on my Benelli M2 and my Rem 870. It is a high visbility dot on the front (or you can run any fiber optic you want) and a vey low profile express sight dovetailed into the rib. You can run it like a purist front bead when shooting shot, and for slugs all you have to do is align the front with the shallow "V". Check them out at http://www.xssights.com

Very possible. M4's don't seem to like those kinds of wads. I have owned several and none would keep the pellets on a 12x20" target past about 20 yards or so. Up until then, they produced great patterns. I think it has a lot to do with the more gradual constriction of the choke in the M2. I suppose I could try the M4 with a Cyl. choke instead of IC. With the Flite Control wad, choke has a lot to do with it. In an 870 Police Magnum shotgun with a 18" IC choke barrel, it will consistently give a 14"-15" pattern at 25 yards. This is our issue shotgun and issue buckshot. With an 870 Police Magnum with a 18" CYL choke barrel, it will give 7"-9" inch patterns. In a Mossberg 590A1 CYL, I have seen consistent patterns of less than 6". My Benelli M2 with the IC choke will put it in 5"-7" patterns. When I pattern with a MOD choke it will open it up to 10"-12" patterns with vertical stringing. Moving to a IMP MOD choke, it patterns around 10"-15" inches. FULL is even worse. Our agency had tested this load extensively and have found that the more constrictive the choke, (using a standard Remchokes and Benelli CRIO chokes), we get increased pellet deformation we due to the design of the Flite Control wad. The wad itself is very thick (like a platic cup) and we have found that the the pellets are remaining nestled in the wad for a longer distance while traveling down the barrel. The pellets are clustered together more than conventional wad buckshot when they reach the choke, and they are compressed against each other leading to increased deformation. I have no experience with extended chokes or chokes with longer taper, but then I have not found the need yet. My buddy runs a Benelli M4 with the MOD choke and gets consistent 7" patterns with it. He also has a Rem 870 with a Vang barrel and you have to aim that thing like a rifle. 8 pellet Flite Control will run patterns the size of your fist at 25 yards. If the Flite Control is not giving you the performance that you desire, try loosening up the amount of choke that you are using. Too bad we purchased all the 870's with IC barrels before we started issuing 8 pellet. 12"-15" is still an improvement over the old 00 that we used to issue. As always, some barrels are happier with certain loads.

They run a variation of that at the 3 gun matches held at TacPro Shooting Center in Mingus, TX. If a stage has steel targets (which most of them do to save taping time), you must "neutralize" all of the targets from a particular shooting position before you are allowed to advance to the next. You can engage them all to save FTE penalties if you know that you are nearing par, but you cannot advance. I have seen plenty of good shooters time out because they were having difficulty with one target in particular. It takes some of the "innovative" thinking out of some stages, making the shooter rely on their shooting skill to get them through it. LaRue has always been a tough match, and I know of many others that would like it no other way. Using a variation of this could put to rest a lot of controversy (and complaining ).

ausshooter hit it right on the head. It has the word "tactical" in the title for a reason. This match had a technical proficiency aspect that is found in very few matches. Some are a bit unrealistic I agree (250 yd support shoulder shots), but they pushed your limits and and working on those skills will only make you a better all around shooter. I enjoyed every stage of the match with stage 7 being my favorite. It hurt my finish a bit when it was thrown out as I was able to run a half minute under par and have only 4.5 seconds in penalties. I have no problem with it being thrown out. Were it not, we would still have been shooting at 1800 on Sunday instead of walking away with the outstanding prizes from the tables. Constructive advice: 1. RO's have a tough VOLUNTARY job, and it is hard to find good ones. There were several experienced RO's out working the stages. At the same time there were a few that acted like talking LOUDLY made it sound like you knew what they were doing. There were some inconsistencies on firearms handling issues and stage descriptions. Let's stay straight on this, there were no BAD RO's that I interacted with. There could have been more guidelines for the RO's to follow. 2. Designated area's to preload the magazines on shotguns. It was a little bit haphazard. Those that have been in the shooting sports for a while should know how to safely do this, but apparently some do not. A slightly more structured approach was needed on a couple of stages. 3. 180 second par time. It was 180 so the match could be run in 2 days. I was fortunate enough to not time out on any stages, but some of the shooters in my squad would have benefitted greatly if the par on a few stages was moved to 210 or 240. The fast guys will still be fast, but the experience gained by the slower shooters being able to completely shoot a stage would help them learn what they need to improve on. (Makes a good argument for a THREE day match with 9 stages.) Hats off to all the staff for making things go as smoothly as they did. You don't realize how tough it is to put on a match of this caliber until you are behind the scenes and are putting forth the effort to make it work. +1 Trapr. 150 gr. bullets put a LaRue down each time it was hit all weekend.

How do I sign up for this now? Add us to that list too Jim You get my vote to make it the Championship. Work keeps me to only 4 matches a year, and three of those are within a 4 hour drive of the house. I have made the RM3G for the past 3 years and wouldn't dream of missing it.

They will have and individual sniper match and a team sniper match this year. These will be sniper matches where not only accuracy but sniping skills will be tested. Ranging with your optic only, no lasers, on unknown distance targets, etc. You won't find yourself crawling around stalking or anything like that, but there will be a few curves thrown at you. They are also putting on an extreme long range class this April. Shots will begin at about 1000 yds and go out to 2000 yds for those with rifles that are capable.

Can someone elaborate on this a little more? I feel I may be in a little over my head...but I tread pretty damn good. Last year a stage included engaging targets from a low port in a barricade. The port height did not allow for you to obtain sight alignment with the target unless you canted your rifle over on it's side. (Representing shooting under a vehicle, etc.) You have to take into consideration that your bbl. is angled to meet your line of sight a certain amount, and that is dependent on your zero distance. When you turn your rifle on it's side and line up on target, your bbl. is still angled to meet your line of sight. The result is that you will have a lateral shift in your point of impact and you will have to compensate for that along with bullet drop.

I've always liked Armalite. I vote Larue or Troy for iron sites. Not comfortable answering the other questions. Maybe someone else will chime in. Here is what I have been running for He-Man/HM at RM3G and others since switching over from a loaded package M1A; DPMS LR 308 AP4 with the 16" bbl. Still running the factory bbl as it shoots 1 moa with federal 168. The balance and ability to move is perfect with the 16" bbl.. The front sight was switched out for a low profile block that I found in my extras box. This allows me to use a Rifle length Viking Tactics / JP free float forend so you can reach out and control it. I was wanting a clean front sight setup without using a 1913 block up front, so a Yankee Hill flip up front was installed out near the muzzle. With the sight being designed for installation on the .750 portion of the bbl., I had to shim it to bring it up to the proper height. You will notice a hole in the side of the sight assembly near the pivot pin. That hole goes through the base and sight and is tapped 6-32. When shooting irons only, I install the screw and it takes away all wobble/wiggle from the assembly. I got rid of the carbine stock and went with a regular LOP A2 stock and extension. I had to get a proper weight buffer and installed a Superior Shooting Systems spring. A JP adjustable trigger rounds out the lower. As far as brakes go, I was running a PWS but have pulled it for now. It works well, but I am looking real hard at a Benny Hill or Ops Inc. The rear sight is just the factory stand-alone DPMS that came with it. I pull it when I run a Leupold MRT. I chose the DPMS due to the price. I obtained the basic gun for $1000 and have less than $600 in parts. It shoots great and has no problem hitting the 600 yard bonuses at RM3G. The only drawback was the magazines. The 7 out of the 8 that I have refuse to feed the 2nd to last round. I picked up 5 Magpul LR's 2 days ago and will run them tomorrow to see how they work out. I still love my M1A, but I can run this one faster when it comes to gaming.