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I was cleaning my mags after a match the other day and noticed a crack, about 1/16 vertical, starting at the top back center seam of my 140 SV 9mm mag. This is the old model and most of you know how hard it is to get these so I'm wondering if anyone knows if this can be repaired/welded? This is going to kill me if I lose this mag.
Thanks for any help/advice...
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Shouldn't this go in the Steel Challenge section?
Anyway, I put an Eotech on my GSG and it worked great. But after trying the DeltaPoint, I was hooked. Really, it's about personal preference. The only word of caution I have is to not buy the really cheap Chinese junk. You might as well use the iron sights instead of that since they fail often, wash-out in the sun, and are inconsistent with the dot intensity.
Not sure about the trigger, hope someone can point you in the right direction there. Just curious, have you thought about getting a Ruger 10/22 and fixing it like you want? I know the M&P 15/22 is cool and everything but you can do SO MUCH MORE with a proven performer like the 10/22 with every mod under the sun at your disposal.
Good luck!
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Fantastic warmup at the Spartanburg match yesterday. Definitely worth the drive up from Atlanta. Thanks for having us!
Yeah it was! Can't wait to see you and the "Little Man" in this weekend...
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I dont think that you can make major in 9mm with 7625 (not enough room in the case), the HS6 works fine it is much denser.
Brian
Thanks, good info there...Will stick with HS-6, WAC, and PP...
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Yeah, I agree, slow down and take your time. The only time you should be rushing with a load is one that is proven time and time again. Even then, you still have to test since there are variations from lot to lot with the same powder sometimes. Hello Walmart
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Tell us how you like the 7625 since I'm looking at trying it along with HS-6 in 9Major. Thanks for any chrono data also...
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Hey guys, I'm in spartanburg, I will make the match. Any good gun shops around, especially with reloading stuff? Thanks
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Guess I wasn't any help, huh?
Here, try this from Hodgdon...
200 GR. HDY XTP Winchester 231 .400" 1.125" 3.9 737 25,900 PSI 4.7 857 33,400 PSI
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Try going to Jeff's pages, there are a ton of 200gr recipes there...
http://www.k8nd.com/documents/hl40sw.pdf
Good luck
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Yeah, look on the app at Iron Sight and it has an asterisk by it, the asterisk states it is for USPSA Limited guns without...etc, etc...
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Supposed to be called Centerfire Iron Sight I believe...
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gng4life:
Apendix "A"
A.1.1 Equipment requirements for the USPSA, IDPA, ICORE
and Cowboy Single Action Divisions shall be governed by
the respective USPSA, IDPA, ICORE and SASS rules and
equipment criteria regarding firearm and holster confingurations
and rule interpretations.
Yeah, that's correct - the "equipment requirements" is correct. That means that if Production division in USPSA states that no race holsters are allowed, then then the same applies to SCSA. There is a weight limit of 39oz in IDPA in SSP so if you shoot SSP in SCSA, then you would have to comply with the weight limit.
Besides, this section is for awards only - not a rule stating that you can't compete, per the next section Appendix A.1.2:
"Failure to meet the appropriate (USPSA, IDPA, ICORE
or SASS) rules and equipment criteria will disqualify the
competitor from Division-specifi c award consideration.
The competitor will remain eligible for overall placement
awards."
I have emailed the SCSA and I'm trying to get an official answer and will attempt to contact Amidon for further clarification. I'm not trying to be a "know-it-all" but I've competed in USPSA for decades and I have been shooting/running Steel Challenge for a few years now and I've never heard that some items can't be disabled. The one I know for sure can't is the thumb safety on a 1911, that has to be operational. In Steel Challenge, traditionally, guns had to be safe but there wasn't a huge stipulation on the disabling of some type of safeties such as magazine disconnects and grip safeties.
Thanks...
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Gomer, when I get on my home computer, I'll send you the alternative WSB. I didn't think I'd be able to use the star, so I set up some steel plates and no shoots, not the same as a star, but the accuracy requirement was up there.
Bascially just put four no shoots spaced just far enough apart to have a steel plate between each one.
The only problem with that is that a round that goes through the no shoot and continues to knock down the plate = reshoot.
I wish some of the clubs around here had steel no-shoots. It would open up a lot more possibilities in stage design.
Not if you space them out correctly and avoid any odd angles to may allow the NS/Steel situation.
Good point though...
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5 stages, similar to SC State. Start time 10:30am
I should be there, what time do you guys normally finish up?
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Cool stage and great design...
Good call Scott...
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Thanks for all the replies. Snappy is exactly how I would describe the 124 gr loads. $15 per 1000 extra is worth finding a load that feels right. Too bad they are on back order at MG.
I am currently using CCI primers. Will there be any effect switching to federal primers?
Greg
Try Manny Bragg at mannyusa.com and ask if he has the 147 in, he might...
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Yeah, I'm in agreement with the others here - move to a heavier bullet. My first experiment with this was in .40 with 165/180/200 grain bullets. The 200gr was so much softer than either, it didn't even feel like I was making minimum. Now I've tried it for 9mm in 95/124/147 grain and for Production, I like the 147 at 130 PF. Steel loads I like the 95 at about 105 PF. I like the 124 in 9mm Major at 170 PF.
All personal preference but you will probably find the best compromise with the 147 for Minor...it just cost more but up to you...
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Chuck Anderson & gng4life:
SC uses USPSA & IDPA rules to govern pistols in competition. Both organizations require that all safety items function.
USPSA Example:
Pg. 72 Item #42
Pg. 78 Item #21.1 (all factory safety mechanisms)
Pg. 80 Items # 22 & 22.1
Item 8.1.2 through 8.1.2.4
Item 8.1.3
I can do the same for IDPA. Try reading the rules. Disabling internal or external safeties is grounds for a DQ. Just because your gun is not inspected does not mean you are competing with a legal firearm when internal or external safeties are disabled. Also look at Both IDPA & USPSA rules verbage on factory approved firearms available to the general public. As for open firearms in USPSA & SC, there is more than enough verbage to cover these also.
Try reading the right rules. Even though USPSA purchased the rights of the SC from Mike and Mike, they have not enforced the USPSA rulebook on SCSA - they have their own Provisional Rules for the time being. The link to the SCSA rules is http://steelchallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/SCSARules.pdf
Here are some explanations:
42. The scores of a competitor who, for any reason, fails to present his firearm
for testing at the designated time and location and/or who fails to provide
sample rounds for testing whenever requested by a Match Official will be
removed from the match results. (Applies to chrono - not safety mechanisms)
21.1/22/22.1 - All production division, nothing to do with SC guns
8.1.2/8.1.2.4/8.1.3 - States for 1911 style guns, "hammer cocked", which is external and the 41 does not have that.
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That's a negative, I used to load and shoot a 9x21 for years back in the 90's and I did bring out the OAL. However, don't take my word for it, go to the Viht manual and look at a 147 XTP load for them. The 9mm OAL is listed at 1.142 and the 9x21 OAL is listed at 1.161, same bullet.
Listed OAL, schmisted OAL, no difference really. I still shoot 9x21 major, been doing so since the 90's. Use a Glock platform and HAVE to load at same OAL as 9x19 (mag length max in glock is 1.165"). 1.115 on out to 1.165" is typical OAL range for 9x19. you can load 9x19 as long as 1.250 if you use a long bearing surface bullet and it still works fine (used to do this in a 1911 pattern 9mm to get around the old minimum OAL requirement for major 9 USPSA used to have in place). OAL range for 9x21 is exactly the same, 1.115 to 1.165". You can load both cases exactly the same and get exactly the same results.
As I said above, you can load longer than 1.165" OAL IF you use a 1911 (or 2011) gun platform as mag length is no longer limiting you to 1.165". If you use a Glock or other wunder-9 platform then mag lengtth will limit OAL to 1.165" max. 9x21 and the 9x19 provide identical case capacity and load data is exactly the same, end of story here my friend!
In fact, 9x21 and 9x19 are for all intents and purposes the same cartridge. The only reason the 9x21 exists is because of an old law in Italy preventing use of military pistol ammo by civilians (9mm parabellum). 9x21 was introduced to get around this law and is EXACTLY the same ballistically as 9x19. The only reason we used it over here was to get around the USPSA ruling about loaded length of 9x19 brass used for 9major back in the early 90's
I agree with paragraphs 2 & 3, I knew those a long time ago - just as you did. The fact remains, there is 2mm length difference there and forget about all the loading and what you can do/can't do, mags, etc. - the point I was making is the the case is longer and therefore has more capacity/volume, go back and read the original post...that also helps when you have full cases of powder, such as 3n38, and there are issues with "powder sling". Bottom line, physically - the case has more capacity/volume...Thanks
Yes, the case is 2mm longer, BUT it does NOT have any more "useable" capacity PERIOD
And again, load data (OAL and charge weight) for 9x21 and 9x19 are exactly the same because they are the same cartridge, just different in length for legal reasons, not for ballistic reasons.
Sorry, but again, the actual fact of the matter here is that there is no extra capacity to be had in the 9x21 case compared to a 9x19 case. The only actual increase for 9x21 over 9x19 is in case to bullet bearing surface
I agree with "usable" but that is not what the issue was, can we all agree the case has more volume by about 2mm??
Official overall length of 9x19 - 1.169, official for 9x21 - 1.171 - in my book, that is not "exactly" the same.
About the "no extra capacity", please contact Vihtavuori and advise them that there manuals are wrong if that's the case:
Vihtavuori Loading Manual - Ed 6
9x19
147 HP/XTP Hornady 29,0 1.142 3N37 0,30 4.7 298 979 0,33 5.1 321 1052
9x21
147 HP-XTP Hornady 29,5 1.161 3N37 0,32 4.9 310 1016 0,34 5.3 329 1079
I'm out...
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It is listed as a 15 lb stock in the M&P 9Pro but it's more like a 15.5 or 16. I tried 13 and 11 ISMI and the 11 works great with light loads. 13lb is my favorite for most other loads. Yes, if the recoil spring is too heavy, it will not allow a light load to reciprocate the slide as it should so you can reduce it. BE CAREFUL if you don't understand the working of light/heavy loads and springs. You can really screw up your dwell timing and start having a ton of bad issues.
No, 90gr moving at 1200 is only 108 power factor - the would be an 11, might get away with a 13 but I doubt it. I noticed that until I got up until about 115 PF then I could move to a 13lb spring.
I got mine from Speed Shooter Specialties - Kenny is a great guy to deal with and he has everything for S&W pistols.
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That's a negative, I used to load and shoot a 9x21 for years back in the 90's and I did bring out the OAL. However, don't take my word for it, go to the Viht manual and look at a 147 XTP load for them. The 9mm OAL is listed at 1.142 and the 9x21 OAL is listed at 1.161, same bullet.
Listed OAL, schmisted OAL, no difference really. I still shoot 9x21 major, been doing so since the 90's. Use a Glock platform and HAVE to load at same OAL as 9x19 (mag length max in glock is 1.165"). 1.115 on out to 1.165" is typical OAL range for 9x19. you can load 9x19 as long as 1.250 if you use a long bearing surface bullet and it still works fine (used to do this in a 1911 pattern 9mm to get around the old minimum OAL requirement for major 9 USPSA used to have in place). OAL range for 9x21 is exactly the same, 1.115 to 1.165". You can load both cases exactly the same and get exactly the same results.
As I said above, you can load longer than 1.165" OAL IF you use a 1911 (or 2011) gun platform as mag length is no longer limiting you to 1.165". If you use a Glock or other wunder-9 platform then mag lengtth will limit OAL to 1.165" max. 9x21 and the 9x19 provide identical case capacity and load data is exactly the same, end of story here my friend!
In fact, 9x21 and 9x19 are for all intents and purposes the same cartridge. The only reason the 9x21 exists is because of an old law in Italy preventing use of military pistol ammo by civilians (9mm parabellum). 9x21 was introduced to get around this law and is EXACTLY the same ballistically as 9x19. The only reason we used it over here was to get around the USPSA ruling about loaded length of 9x19 brass used for 9major back in the early 90's
I agree with paragraphs 2 & 3, I knew those a long time ago - just as you did. The fact remains, there is 2mm length difference there and forget about all the loading and what you can do/can't do, mags, etc. - the point I was making is the the case is longer and therefore has more capacity/volume, go back and read the original post...that also helps when you have full cases of powder, such as 3n38, and there are issues with "powder sling". Bottom line, physically - the case has more capacity/volume...Thanks
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That's a negative, I used to load and shoot a 9x21 for years back in the 90's and I did bring out the OAL. However, don't take my word for it, go to the Viht manual and look at a 147 XTP load for them. The 9mm OAL is listed at 1.142 and the 9x21 OAL is listed at 1.161, same bullet.
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Closest I've loaded was the MG 95gr JHP, they are sweet! I use them as my Steel Challenge load. I was loading 4.7 N320, CCI SP, range brass, OAL- 1.078. You can stretch the 95gr out to 1.110 but that's pushing it. I had to re-spring my guns to run this. I went to an 11lb in my 9Pro and a 6lb in my STI Open shorty. Feels like shooting a .22
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9X21 in practice does not have greater case capacity. Generally it is chambered in small frame guns where the magazine is the limiting factor. Usually around 1.150 So would need the same powders and loads as 9mm.
9X21 brass is the same price as 9X23 at Midway and Starline, even if it wasnt a couple minutes with a case trimmer and 9X23 brass and you can make all you want. Would kinda suck for the 9X23 guys picking up brass though.
I think you misunderstood that statement, 9mm is 9x19mm (roughly 19mm in length), 9x21 (roughly 21mm in length), therefore there is a 2mm length difference thus resulting in greater capacity (volume).
Crack in SV Mag - Is Repair Possible?
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Thanks guys! Eric, I know you do a lot of mag work, do you do this also?