Steve_P Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Hi All, I might be interested in trying Ramshot Zip for my 124gr production loads. Does anyone here do this? I have seen a lot of mention of zip with 147's, but not much about the 124's. I currently use W231. Zip is listed right next to 231 on the burn rate charts, so I would think that I could work up a new load with minimal trouble. Thanks in advance for your assistance! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 no answers, but I just bought a lb to try out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstandley Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 I am using zip on 124gr berry's. I am at 3.6 grs. I found it burns closer to titegroup that 231. I tried the same load as my 231 loads and they were hot, 142pf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Ramshot lists a Speer 124gr TMJ W/OAL 1.50 @ 1025 with 4.5 of ZIP as a max load. There are better powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 When you say better powders, do you mean for USPSA shooting or full power loading. I shoot 5g Unique under 124g PD's in my G34. I just bought Titegroup, ZIP, and have HP38 and Bullseye on hand. Looking to make minor PF with 13lb spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPatterson Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 I was talking USPSA only where it is far better to start with a 132-135 PF load than the 127 PF of the above load. What I consider a better powder is one that reaches a desired power factor at less than .2 gr of max book pressure. On this forum you will find people who state their load is .2-.3 gr above max. As a person who has had a barrel split with a weighed charge at what was supposed to be less than a max charge, I am a believer in what Clint Eastwood said "A man should know his limitations". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstandley Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Also, the OAL makes a big difference on ZIP. .050 more seating depth give me 80 more FPS. I can run lead 125gr bullets at 3.6 grs of charge and OAL at 1.125, however the Berrys 125FP is a shorter bullet, seated to 1.120 needs 3.9 to make PF. I have to push it down to 1.075 to get the pressure back up with the lighter load.I have had no problems other than learning what the powder wants and likes. Testing, testing, testing. The Berrys 125 gr HBFP is a longer bullet, It gives a good deep seating depth and still have a good OAL. I am testing Berrys 130gr RN currently just to see how it runs in a 9mm platform. So far so good. Test gun is a glock 17 with a Federal barrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 so I loaded up 4.0g of Zip under 124g PDs and they seemed light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 oh yeah, 1.135 OAL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 If you are a Ramshot fan Competition might be a good powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) I show Zip as being very close to AA2 in burn rate and just a little faster than 231/HP38. I would think it would be a decent choice. I would like to try Competition (much faster than Zip) in .45 Auto Bullseye loads, but haven't seen either on the shelves of the local dealers. rstandley: I do not understand decreasing the COL. Why not add more powder? My philosophy is to load to the longest COL that gives me reliable feeding and chambering and, in 9x19, not to reduce COL. No matter what, all 9x19 and .40S&W loads need to be checked for bullet tension to prevent any bullet set-back. Edited June 17, 2011 by noylj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) Before I was sponsored by Hodgdon... this was way way way way many years back. I used Ramshot Competition for 9mm and it worked very well. Edited June 17, 2011 by PINMAN44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankge Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 I loaded 4.0 with an MG 124 TMJ and have the OAL at 1.125, seem to work decent. Knock steel down well and accurate. Have to get my chrono out and see. Load data is just all over the place with this powder. However, Ramshot calls out the load I'm using now. If you go to thier website it looks that they are going through Zip data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19852 Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 If I could find it locally I would be using Ramshot Competition. 4.0 under a 124/125 shoots just like the VV N320 I am using now at less cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PINMAN44 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 yup people usually use 320 data for Ramshot Competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveaikens Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I just loaded up some 124gr Rainier FPs, over 4.6gr of Zip, over Federal 100 primers. OAL is 1.1 which is about right for FP bullets. Feels about right, a little less recoil than the factory loads I've shot through this gun [sig X-Five All Around] but the gun cycles great and accuracy was very good. Have to set the chrono up but I think I'm running somewhere between 950 to 1000 fps which seems about right based on other bullets using Ramshot's load data for Zip at 4.6gr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note Power Factor COL J-all 124 Zip 4.2 990 Accurate 123 1.169 Zero FMJ 124 Zip 4.5 1201 149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstandley Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 noylj, I was having problems with feeding the flat nose bullets, hense the change of OAL. I found that for the flat nose bullets, 1.100 works well in my glocks, however they will not fit into a CZ barrel. Just part of the process. For the 130 gr round nose I use 1.125 OAL. Also I am at 3.9 grs of Zip, burns dirty, will not buy anymore after this jug is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noylj Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I can only assume that CZ isn't chambering these guns the same as my CZ75s (not Bs). I load fairly long in the CZs. There is no greater justification for a change in COL than "it feeds better." You will note that my referenced loads were no listed as start or max. These are loads from magazines (at least one is probably a Handloader load). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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