USCSBarney Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Here is my setup: CCF SS Frame Caspian G35 Slide LWD M35 Converstion to 9mm barrel Glock OEM internals (ejector, guide rod, etc.). I am having FTE problems regardless of older or newer mags. It doesn't happen every round but about every 6th or 7th round. Doesn't really seem to matter if the gun is sqeecky clean or a little dirty. I am planning on getting either a LWD or some other dropin 40S&W barrel to use the set up as my backup Limited gun but don't want to invest the money until I have the current problem solved. The round will fire but the empty case is left setting in the barrel with the next round up under it unable to load. My local gunsmith, who is not a Glocksmith, says he thinks that I should use a 9mm extractor as the 40 extractor now in place seems to be marking high on the brass and either skipping over or around the case rim. Have talked to LWD and they only said to shoot some +P through it which has not solved the problem after 75 rounds of it. My local gunsmith, who is not a Glocksmith, says he thinks that Does anyone have any suggestions. I would greatly appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) Welcome to the forum! WOW....that is some configuration. Yes, it might very well be the ammo. But, may I ask when did this malfunction begin? Was your gun assembled all at once with these parts? I only can suggest that if possible re-assemble the G35 and test fire after each "add-on" is installed. Theory being you'll isolate the stoppage. Jim Edited July 3, 2008 by JimmyM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfinney Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Its common for G35s with the 9mm conversion barrels to only run about 98%..... usually changing the extractor to a 9mm one, as well as the ejector to a 9mm one, solves most problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Might be that locking block problem that is often reported with those frames? Not letting the gun go to full travel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 You might also check the dimensions of the extractor cut in the slide. I had a Caspian .40 slide that was not cut right and didn't allow the extractor to move freely. I had the exact same malfunctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCSBarney Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 Jimmy, The gun is a build that was assembled with the parts listed. Theory being, practice with 9mm, switch the barel to 40 and shoot the match. Originally had a 9mm ejector in it but there was enough of a clearance problem with the 35 slide that I went ahead and put the 40 on in. The slide seems to have full travel over the full length. The reoccuring problem is the slide just leaves the fired case it the barel. Putting the 75 or so +P seemded to extend the number of rounds (i.e. went from every 5 rounds to every 7 or 8 at times) but that is all. LWD seemed to think that the +P would work the kinks out but I don't think it would take more than I have put through it. It has had probably 250 rounds of Speer Gold Dot 124gr through it as well. A friend said his LWD regular barell had to be bored out slightly but LWD did seem to think that was a problem. The rounds will come out with a little shaking once the slide is locked back and the mag dropped but this is obviously not a way to shoot any match. Have thought it could be the barel but am aprehensive to buy a 40 barrel if I don't know the problem I am having now. I have also heard that the conversion barrels are not 100% but not this bad. Any more help would be appreciative guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCSBarney Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 Lawman, Was your Caspian milled real tight? When I originally go the slide the barrel channel was so tight I could not even get the barell into it. Had to send back to Caspian and wait about a month and an half. Did not think it could be the extractor cut. What did you do to correct the problem? Polish or dremmel? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Caspian had (has?) some problems with getting the Glock slides dimensionally correct. Striker Channels drilled off center etc. I didn't fix mine, I sold it. The guy I sold it to told me about the extractor cut being wrong. He said he opened it up (whatever that means) and the gun ran fine until the slide cracked (it was pretty extensively lightened for use with Minor ammo only). My suggestion would be to hook up with a Glock shooter who has a 35 and start switching parts. Put your slide on his frame. If you're still having issues, you've excluded the CCF. Next try his bbl in your slide. If the gun still doesn't run, you kind of left with the slide. You're actually lucky the gun pukes that often. The ones where it only malfs once in 500 rounds are a pain to identify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertdog Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I run a CCF SS also, have had entertainment with it, do CCF search. Extractor should be 9mm old style NLCI type, extractor spring plastic buffer should be white .40 s&w style. This is not cure all, I still had FTE's (can pull case out of chamber with finger) so I increased PF and decreased OAL. Now I do not use anything over 1.115 and it extracts fine for 2-3 months then the extractor cracks in half on lower edge, 3 so far. I also ensure extractor is clean before matches. Have G34 top end on mine and use either factory barrel or KKM 6" that has been milled by Robar to ensure it doesn't break lugs. And yes if you can swap a G34\G35 slide on there try it out. Good luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCSBarney Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 Thanks guys. My boss actually ordered a CCF as well but just put his Glock 34 top end on it and everything runs fine. I will try switching out the extractor. That seems to be the most likely source of the problem. That is what my boss and I were thinking as the marks on the cases seem to show that the extractor is hitting high on the case to start and pulling down past the rim. We may have to play with it to get it to like up right with the 9mm extractor. Really makes me wonder about Caspian though especially after sending it back to them to fix the barell channel problem. Thought they were better than this. I did play with it a little last night and the channel cut for the extractor does seem to be fine. At least the extractor moves under finger pressure. If anyone knows where to find an old style extractor please let me know. I get almost all of my parts from Brownells. Will post an update as soon as I get a chance to try the fix. Will be out on the range next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertdog Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 You can get the extractors at numerous sites, however I get mine from glockmeister.com, explain the extractor you need for the CCF and the NLCI and spring buffer and he will send them to you. CCF is a picky animal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STI2011 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I had a similar issue with my SS CCF and G34 upper. I was using an LCI extractor and SLB for LCI (both came with the G34). The fix was to replace the SLB with an old style one (NLCI). The NLCI bearing is a bit longer than the 9mm LCI SLB and longer than the .40 LCI SLB thus, increasing extractor tension. Since making the change I have not experienced any more FTEs. I believe the Glock part number for the NLCI SLB is 1176. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Caspian makes great 1911 slides. Their Glock stuff is still a bit iffy. I imagine they will get the hang of it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Chuck, I was kinda feeling that they might have got that striker channel squared away when they came out with their latest batch of Glock slides (a year or so ago)??? Any info on that? (I've not handled one, so i have no clue.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atmar Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 the more i read about this ccf frame the more i think that its just a big headache! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Anderson Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Chuck,I was kinda feeling that they might have got that striker channel squared away when they came out with their latest batch of Glock slides (a year or so ago)??? Any info on that? (I've not handled one, so i have no clue.) Last I heard was that they were still out of spec. That came from the gunsmith building my gun this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 Bummer. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCSBarney Posted November 2, 2008 Author Share Posted November 2, 2008 Finally got around to getting back to this little experiment. Have only put about 100 or so various rounds through it after I replaced the 9mm extractor with a 40S&W one but seems to run fine now. No FTE's at all. Easiest fix to a problem that drove me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighVelocity Posted November 2, 2008 Share Posted November 2, 2008 Interesting. So you're using a 40 extractor, 9mm ejector and 40/9mm conversion barrel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EkuJustice Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I have one of the Caspian 35 slides from like Feb-march and it runs 100 percent but it is on a stock glock frame. It took about 10 min of fitting for the barrel to slide it but that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USCSBarney Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 I have got to stop posting when I am doped up on Cold/Cough medicine. Was originally using a 40S&W extractor with the 9mm conversion barell. Switched it to a 9mm extractor and seems to work fine. Have a 40S&W ejector in there and the barell seems to work just like Lone Wolf claims in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohns930 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 the more i read about this ccf frame the more i think that its just a big headache! +1 Seemed like an interesting project at first. It still would be if you want a gun that you don't have to shoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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