joshua Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 How many types of barrel ramp cuts are there and which ones are the same? I know the Nowlin cut is different from the Wilson, and the second part of my question, is the Wilson frame cut compatible with the Barsto? If you could just group the barrels that are compatible for me that will be superb. Here is the list of barrels: Barsto, Wilson, Nowlin, Briley, Kart, OlyArms, Para Ordnance, Springfield, Clark, Limcat, Shueman, STI (did I miss any brand?). Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 I know the Nowlin cut is different from the Wilson, Are you sure? I only know of two Wilson/Nowlin and Clark/Para. There maybe more out there for the 1911 but none that I am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianH Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Basically the Wilson/Nowlin is square where it hits the frame, and the Clark/Para is radiused. Those are the only 1911 ramps I know of as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 I too have Wilson and Nowiln barrels in different guns. The ramp cuts are the same . Square to the recoil shoulder. The Para is round to the recoil shoulder. I have 2 STI's, they are also square. Bar Sto will do round or Square, your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Bar-Sto will do it any way you want it. In the old days, they had their own ramp design, different from Wilson or Para. Sinc eht evolume went with those two designs, Bar-sto makes what customers want. I have a single stack Open gun with a Bar-sto of the old design ramp. If you're curious I could measure it. As I recall, it isn't compatable with either, and machining from the old Bar-Sto to any of the others was also a problem. Basically, once a frame is cut for any ramp, that's it, you can't go back or switch to another design. At least not economically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 4, 2003 Author Share Posted June 4, 2003 I have 2 open guns, and they have different ramp cuts due to their barrels being from different manufacturers. My problem is the frame on one of them is cracked (the better gun) and I can't figure out what kind of ramp cut I need to order for the frame I'm getting so I can install the top end on the new frame. What to do, what to do? Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Do you know the make of the barrel??? or on the lower lug is the face of have a radius or is it flat??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 See this page for Schuemann's take on ramp cuts. Scroll down to the heading; Ramped and Unramped barrels. www.schuemann.com/aet4.htm If you look around his website, there are pictures of the kinds of barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 5, 2003 Author Share Posted June 5, 2003 If anyone is willing to identify the type of ramp cut I have I can send a picture through email. I don't have a picture hosting website. Anyone? Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Joshua, As stated above if you look and the ramp of your and see that the ramp looks flat with the two sides turned up it's a Wilson/Nowlin if it has a tapered groove down the middle. If that does not help you can email them to me and I'll take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bulm5 Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Maybe its a lissner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 5, 2003 Author Share Posted June 5, 2003 Sirs, If you can give me an email address I can send that picture. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 sent you an email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 6, 2003 Author Share Posted June 6, 2003 Just sent the pictures, I couldn't get the camera to focus correctly but it should give you an idea why I'm getting confused because the recoil shoulder it's squared like the nowlin/wilson cut. Could it be that the gunsmitch varied the cut on this barrel ramp? Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 see if this works..sometimes imagestation works..sometimes it doesn;t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 It is the Wilson/Nowlin style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 6, 2003 Author Share Posted June 6, 2003 eerw, thanks for posting the pics. I suppose the Wilson/Nowlin cut will be fine on this barrel ramp, just don't know if the slight radius between the flats will hit the shoulder on the frame. Might as well investigate that area. josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 When the 'smith cuts the frame for a ramped barrel, they relieve the area in question. What kinda frame? If you can, order it uncut and have it cut to match the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 7, 2003 Author Share Posted June 7, 2003 It is a Caspian Hi-cap. I think if I order an STI with the Wilson Nowlin cut then have the relief cut it will work. What do you think? Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 7, 2003 Author Share Posted June 7, 2003 Also if I may add, it was the time when lower barrel lugs were breaking when I had this gun done and I believe the smith said the cracks were coming from Wilson/Nowlin type ramped barrels and the primary culprit was the sharp corner it had. I've also seen this happen on slides with ports lowered with sharp corners. If you think about it the theory is valid. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Hardy Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 there was a guy named chuck warner. i believe .that used to alter the wilson/nowlin cut to look like yours. he did this to radius the barrel lug and so that only one cut had to be made to the frame to fit the barrel. i have a bull barrel for a 38 super that he did and on the barrel hood it is engraved cwc. be very careful and make sure that your gunsmith knows how to measure everything before cutting the ramp in the frame. i would not get a pre-cut frame because if by chance you have a ramp that is altered then you will be in a position of replacing the barrel or getting another frame or welding up the frame bridge and recutting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Scientist Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Joshua, I would simply send the gun to J.L. Hardy .he does some of the finest 1911 work in the country and is resonable priced. He specializes in open guns and limetd guns .Thats all he does. If you can do it yourself go for it. but I suspect that a profesional is in order. JohnNagel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted June 9, 2003 Author Share Posted June 9, 2003 The frame that had a crack is coming soon. I'm gonna shoot it again and see how long it will last. Hopefully that Caspian frame will hold after being welded just in the cracked area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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