VeryBadshot Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hi all, Want some advice on loading some minor ammo for a friend. He has a M&P 40 that he wants to shoot in Production. Since it's scored minor see no reason to hammer him with the major PF loads that I run in my XD Tact. So bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdrocker Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...64&hl=minor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjb45 Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 You might need a chrono! I believe they must be loaded to factory length. Going the 1.2 route might produce loads that do not fit in the magazine. You might want to test that out first. I am a big fan of VV320, it seems to burn clean and easy to clean up afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throwin Lead Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) Edited for double post Edited October 26, 2007 by Throwin Lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throwin Lead Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 (edited) I shoot a MP 40 (full size) in production and have found several different loads that work well. My favorite is 3.45 g of WST, WSP primer Masterblaster 180gr bullet OAL 1.125 makes 135 PF. Although I didn't have any feeding issues I changed the spring to a 13#. The spring change made a positive difference in the cycling action of the gun. Check out the posted link - I listed several different minor loads in that thread that I worked up this season. What ever you load a chrono is a must - there lies the proof! YMMV Edited October 26, 2007 by Throwin Lead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryBadshot Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 Chrono I got, just not any minor PF loading under my belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revchuck Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 VBS - What bullet weight and powder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronhonda Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 3.1gr of CLAYS and MG 180gr jhp with a factory oal will give you a pf of about 135. real soft and accurate for production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryBadshot Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 VBS - What bullet weight and powder? Chuck Iam totally open here. Have been thinking the weight would be 180's , but like I said open on both. The M&P 40 is going to be shared between my friend and his GF. Both are new shooters, he's doing great with WWB 165's which are a little much for her at this point. She does much better 150PF loads I had. So again open to suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revchuck Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 From Hornady's current (7th edition) manual, listed as giving 750 fps/135 PF with 180 grain lead bullets at 1.125" OAL: Titegroup - 2.1 grains Bullseye - 3.4 grains Universal Clays - 3.8 grains 231 - 3.8 grains N340 - 4.0 grains' 4756 - 5.4 grains AA #5 - 5.8 grains For 180 grain XTPs at 800 fps/144 PF (same OAL): Universl Clays - 4.2 grains N340 - 4.4 grains Power Pistol - 4.6 grains WAP (aka Silhouette) - 5.2 grains 4756 - 5.6 grains 800X - 5.0 grains AA #5 - 5.7 grains Blue Dot - 6.3 grains AA #7 - 7.4 grains Same bullet and OAL from Hodgdon's 2007 Annual Manual: HP38 - 4.1 grains/797 fps Clays - 3.0 grains/727 fps (max is 3.5 grains) That oughta get ya started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryBadshot Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 THX! I think that will get me off the ground. Now to do some ordering and fire up the chrono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm iprod Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Be careful using the words "fire up" and "chrono" in the same sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryBadshot Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 Be careful using the words "fire up" and "chrono" in the same sentence. Ouch...yeah...done that once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock10mmman Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 When I was shooting my Glock 35 in production I was running 3.0 grains of alliant reddot with a 180 grain slug. I got around 130-131 power factor and recoil was next to nothing. I would assume the shoter barrel on the M&P would put right at 125-127 PW. g10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz-0 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 berry's 180gr plated. loaded to 1.130 nominal overal length. 4.0 grains of titegroup gives about a 140pf (chrono stage gave back 141.6 IIRC). Thta's out of my 4" M&P 40. 4.5 grains gave me about 156pf. with the same setup. At less than 4.0 grains, and more than 4.5 accuracy fell off. Severely above 4.5 Onm the ame day, at an 8" plate at 50 yards, with 4.5 grains I wasn't even using the whole plate, at 4.7 grains, I could barely hit it, and the recoil really didn't feel noticably different. percison moly coated lead 185s seated to 1.135 nominal OAL with 4.5gr of titegroup gave me 175pf with a SD of only about 14. Extreme spread was 24. A very consistant load, but since it was a little smokier than the plated or jacketed stuff, I dind't get to test for accuracy as a burned up more than I wanted getting a slod string of 10 rounds chronoed. I also tried berry's 180gr with universal clays. 5.0 grains gave me 165PF exacltly. SD was 22 though, so it was a bit all over the place. Extreme spread was in the 40s (i'd have to hit up the notebook to say exactly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I have used 3.6 gr. WST behind 155 to 180 gr. plated or jacketed bullets. I use this in a S&W 646, CZ-40B and PO16-40 . The PO16-40 required a lighter recoil spring for reliable functioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosigns Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Question on some of the loads. What would anyone say it's running per 50 for cost on any of these loads? I am trying to figure out the real difference in cost between this type of .40 load compared to 9mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HondaPro Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Question on some of the loads.What would anyone say it's running per 50 for cost on any of these loads? I am trying to figure out the real difference in cost between this type of .40 load compared to 9mm. try handloads.com they have a online calculator that will give you the cost. for a genral idea figure about 2 cents a primer 2 cents powder then add your price per bullet. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boo radley Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Nice calculator -- My minor .40 runs about $7/50 with components purchased in bulk: 8lb Tightgroup $115 2500 MG 180gr $275 5000 WSP primers $105 brass...free, more or less, from scrounging. Ouch. But ~3.7gr of TG behind a 180gr JHP is an awful nice minor load for a Glock 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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