Paul Burtchell Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 After doing a bit of research it seems the Benelli M2 field is the gun of choice to send to Benny Hill for customizing for a 3 gun shotgun. Which is the preferred gauge? 12 or 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 12-------------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) There is a big push on the 20 gauge at the moment, and all you are going to see is the use of the 20 gauge grow. There are a few posts on that subject. Benny will work on either one. And, there are some pretty good shooters in the world of 3 gun that are SERIOUSLEY looking at the 20 gauge for next year. Tim Edited September 29, 2007 by TRUBL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry White Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 12, I already did the 20 deal, 12is it.-----------Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 If you shoot the same load in the 20 that you do in the 12, ie 1 oz of shot 3 dram equivilant, the felt recoil will actually be more in the 20 guage. The advantage of the 20 seems to be the size of the shells when reloading. Eaiser to grab 5 or 6 20 guage shells than 12s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 Actually, in my open gun, I use AA 2 3/4 dram loads 7/8 oz. The recoil is sharper, but less. My gun is ported....but still there may not be much advantage in the Open Division. BUT in my opinion, it is much better than our buddies open 12 ga recoil. Overall, just seems faster on recovery......must be faster powders In Jarmo's 20ga Limited gun we have been using Winchester 2 1/2 dram 7/8 oz loads.....again, sharper recoil, but less. Comparing this to a M2 limited gun we have....again, much faster recovery time as well. The guns never leaves the target, splits are comparatively faster, lighter guns, recoil is very managable And.......in EVERY match we have been at this year, there was NOTHING we could not knock over. Both of us use the improved cyl choke tube in our guns. Also.....this 'more pattern' thing is kinda mute as well. There is a lot of clay shooters out there that will tell you that is you miss with a 20, you will probably miss with a 12. +1 on what Jax said......all else being equal......the grabing and loading more shells at once is a HUGE advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted September 29, 2007 Share Posted September 29, 2007 (edited) Is there any national level shooter (top 4 in Open or top 7 in Tactical in a major match) shooting a 20 gauge? Any timed reloads? How much of a time advantage are you getting? Edited September 29, 2007 by Religious Shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Burtchell Posted September 30, 2007 Author Share Posted September 30, 2007 It seems I've started a controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 No, not at all.......a healthy discussion. Time will tell next year......the main thing is that last year, you never saw any yellow hulls at major matches. This year, you are seeing alot......and it will only grow. 20 guage is VERY viable in 3 gun, and people are seeing it.....even the top shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 No, not at all.......a healthy discussion. Time will tell next year......the main thing is that last year, you never saw any yellow hulls at major matches. This year, you are seeing alot......and it will only grow. 20 guage is VERY viable in 3 gun, and people are seeing it.....even the top shooters. I think 20ga is for sissies Yuk Yuk giggle giggle Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinBlue Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 No, not at all.......a healthy discussion. Time will tell next year......the main thing is that last year, you never saw any yellow hulls at major matches. This year, you are seeing alot......and it will only grow. 20 guage is VERY viable in 3 gun, and people are seeing it.....even the top shooters. I think 20ga is for sissies Yuk Yuk giggle giggle Jim ...speaking of sissies...don't you shoot a pink shotgun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 The 20 will again resurface for a short time, and as most noble experiments do...fail. IMO - In 3 gun 20 vs 12 will show to be as minor vs major in USPSA Limited. Interesting but not a viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccur Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 Bruce Piatt shoots a 20 ga REALLY WELL, and places in the top 5 with it!! At the side match at CMMG, Bruce won it with a 20, and Tate moots won his class in the side match with Bruces 20 ga...like Tim says, there is almost no recovery time from shot to shot....Lets see what Nationals brings.. Cheryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I don't know Merlin......this time you have ALOT more interest in it, more shell selection. The experiments are over......people are really looking to switch over as they need new equipment.. I believe Bruce has made the transition very well. And....Jim???....well, it seems as though Jim is not gonna be getting any for a very long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I don't know Merlin......this time you have ALOT more interest in it, more shell selection. The experiments are over......people are really looking to switch over as they need new equipment..I believe Bruce has made the transition very well. And....Jim???....well, it seems as though Jim is not gonna be getting any for a very long time Hmmm... I see you are a Darwinian. As your namesake did so long ago let me suggest we see, as the developmental progress continues, what time and the process of natural selection allows to survive and flourish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinBlue Posted September 30, 2007 Share Posted September 30, 2007 I don't know Merlin......this time you have ALOT more interest in it, more shell selection. The experiments are over......people are really looking to switch over as they need new equipment..I believe Bruce has made the transition very well. And....Jim???....well, it seems as though Jim is not gonna be getting any for a very long time Hmmm... I see you are a Darwinian. As your namesake did so long ago let me suggest we see, as the developmental progress continues, what time and the process of natural selection allows to survive and flourish... Wow, that was deep...I didn't realize you were a scholar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 (edited) I find the 20 ga. Benelli M2 to be quicker handling with less recoil than my M1 12 ga. The 12 ga. MAY be a little more forgiving when it comes to shot placement (still debating this issue with myself) but the 20 ga. wins the reloading contest hands down. I can load 5 20ga. shells from a 4 rd 12 ga. carrier and do so in about the same time I can load 4 12ga shells. BUT I load weak hand. If you are loading one shell at a time then that point is mute. The drills I have run at home have proven to me that the 20 ga. is more than capable of competing with the 12 ga. At least when being used by someone of my skill (mediocre at best). Give someone of great shotgun skill the same two guns and their mileage may very. It is at least worth looking into, and what with Nordic Components building everything you need for the weapon, it makes the 20 ga. just that much more viable. Gentleman Jim I love my 20 ga., hope that doesn't make me a sissy. Payne Edited October 2, 2007 by Sgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 No Brian, shooting a 20gauge does not make you a sissy HOWEVER.....wearing hot pink and flouresent yellows at matches makes people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Payne Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Tim, Like your son said "real men can wear pink". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 NO guys your not sissies...Just messin with Tim and my wife And I have been properly chastized for my transgression The light 20 is very easy to transition and quite fast...recoil cycle is also very crisp. No doudt it will become more popular, and I know several people that shoot it quite well. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 my son said that???? smart kid for an 11 year old eh? I'll to have a little talk with him tonight.....by the way, he shoots a 20 gauge too. I did not steal one from him just to shoot 3 gun. Jim......by chastized, are you meaning....wait, I dont wanna know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccur Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Actually, I wear a lot of pink and I consider myself a real man!!! Cheryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyinBlue Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Cheryl...you look good in pink! But the real man thing...hmmmm...I don't know about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUBL Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Actually, I wear a lot of pink and I consider myself a real man!!!Cheryl So much for high lady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Actually, I wear a lot of pink and I consider myself a real man!!!Cheryl Despite what you may consider.....I shall always see you as...and treat you, like a lady Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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