MichiganShootist Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I shot the Targeting Education match in Brighton, Michigan this morning----at the Livingston club that hosted the IPSC World Qualifier Match earlier this week. (we had many of the same stages) Yikes..... consider this wheel gun shooters-- 3 or 4 of the 9 stages had a MINIMUM round count of over 30 ... and TONS of steel. I thought about carrying some extra ammo in my cheeks like a damn squirrel. They said it would be a 200 round match... and based on my empty and partially empty moons.. I fired 258 rounds. (29 per stage average). Head shots out to 30 -35 yards and 1/3 head shots at 15 and 20 yards were tough. How about big fall forward poppers which were "hard cover" in front of small poppers that you had to shoot???? The match was well done... and the MD and staff deserve a big THANKS.... They hosted a major event......4 days in a row. It's time for a few brews-- boys and girls!!!! My only suggestion--- Loose the big forward falling poppers. My squad had at least 6 situations where they were hit dead center... and didn't fall with ammo that had passed the chrono (major).... but the RO shot them high with a 9 mm and they went down... There is something wrong with that!!!! Now.. if I can ever figure out why I'm getting about 300 rounds out of a cylinder stop.. I might be able to shoot a decent match. I was jumping cylinder notches after 6 stages... with a cylinder stop that was put in 2 weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Sounds like a darn fine match! I'm glad you had a good time...and hope your thumbs heal up quickly ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
festus1 Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I shot it yesterday PM. Very challenging. MichiganShootist, you might want to try a Ti cyl. After several thousand rounds I have not seen any problems with the cyl stop. Oh, and I did not make major - bummer. I thought I was over but I guess not. I shot the IPSC match on Th and Fri also. That was also very challenging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Now.. if I can ever figure out why I'm getting about 300 rounds out of a cylinder stop.. I might be able to shoot a decent match. I was jumping cylinder notches after 6 stages... with a cylinder stop that was put in 2 weeks ago. Mich, you probably need to dress up the stop notches on the cylinder, paying particular attention to the little ledges that tend to build up from "bounce-off peening" at the bottom of the cylinder stop notch lead-in ramps. Those little ledges can act like ramps under speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waltermitty Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Now.. if I can ever figure out why I'm getting about 300 rounds out of a cylinder stop.. I might be able to shoot a decent match. I was jumping cylinder notches after 6 stages... with a cylinder stop that was put in 2 weeks ago. Mich, you probably need to dress up the stop notches on the cylinder, paying particular attention to the little ledges that tend to build up from "bounce-off peening" at the bottom of the cylinder stop notch lead-in ramps. Those little ledges can act like ramps under speed. This was the point I sent my first revo in for a cylinder replacement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Just look at the M and NS count from the match - even the winners had at least a few M's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standles Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 no blisters but I did agrivate a tennis elbow a couple of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted May 21, 2007 Author Share Posted May 21, 2007 Thanks Mike. I've checked the cylinder (on both sides of the notches)... I think that the new cylinder stop is in need of some additional fitting. The gun is running great totally "clean" but as I burn rounds through it... the crud is keeping the stop from making full contact with one of the notches which is probably close to being out of spec. I can see what looks like burnt grease oozing up out around the cylinder stop. So I if the cylinder stop is over lubed and under fiitted... That would explain the melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 (edited) My only suggestion--- Loose the big forward falling poppers. My squad had at least 6 situations where they were hit dead center... and didn't fall with ammo that had passed the chrono (major).... but the RO shot them high with a 9 mm and they went down... There is something wrong with that!!!! Inconsistency of forward-falling poopers is a growing concern that USPSA needs to address. On the one hand, I believe there is a need for forward falling poppers due to safety. We cannot afford to survive with our safety record intact if we continue to use back-ward falling poppers and send projectiles - even one or two per match - over the berm at many ranges. On the other hand, the forward falling poppers have proven inconsistent as far as calibration - and especially after being hit and failing to fall (calling for calibration WITHOUT being touched under the current rule). Unlike a rearward falling popper, certain designs of forward falling poppers do not return to the same condition after being hit. That is why they fail to fall with a major caliber hit, but then fall to a 125 PF hit. MODERATOR: if this has drifted too much off topic, please move to RULES section as its own thread. Thx. Edited May 21, 2007 by Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Griffin Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I had a couple of situations with .40 major (174 at the chrono) not working the popper, both were clean hits on the side of the center. I think FF poppers are more sensitive to "twisting" and not getting enough rearward impetus to rebound. Both failures cost me at least 5 seconds total, so they were pretty significant. (Move back to position to reengage, failure to activate swingers) Is there an official area that is considered for calibration, or just a perfect center hit? H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itento Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I know there have been other threads on FF Poppers but maybe this should be discussed again as more clubs (including mine) are going that way to keep rounds from leaving the range. I think design and fabrication are the big culprits. We have purchased 11 kits from MGM and they are first class. I can't see how you could NOT get complete repeatability with these. I have also seen a number of other designs (homemade and commercial) that incorporate hooks. I can see why these might not be consistant. I know the MGM products are not cheap, but you only get what you pay for and Mike is a GREAT supporter of our sport. By the way, NRA paid for ours through a grant (they're not just a lobbying organization). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffl Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 We are currently developing a foward falling popper and will have it at the Nationals in Tulsa. you can see our other products at our web site Secure Firearm Products Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Congratulations are in order here, not only to match winner Jerry, but also to Patrick Sweeney. Patrick obviously shot a great match, winning a bunch of stages and coming precariously close to creating a full-blown dethroning. It was a great weekend for USPSA Revolver, the only bad thing was that it happened simultaneously in three different places..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrettone Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) Well MichiganShootist, Tape 'em up, 'cause we're wheelgunnin' it at Livingston again this weekend! John Baier, I , and two others will be there to give 'er hell!!! Edited May 24, 2007 by Barrettone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glockaholic Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I'm just glad I'm not startin revo till next season after seeing the reloads at this match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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