bompa Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 Can anybody tell me about the Docter sight ?? How does it hold up to heavy use ?? I have tried the J-point and found it lacking and there is nothing else in this type sight.. Maybe.. Saw something on the EGW site today about having 5th generation Optima's for sale but don't know if that was old and out of date..Anybody know about them ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 The 3rd Gen Docter's are good, the second gen had two wires that come off and the dot would go out. I ran a 3rd gen 3.5 on my gun last season with no problems. A couple other guys have been running them for 2+ years without failures. They are a few dollars more than the optimas/jpoint but they are metal and glass not plastic. The quality is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 Chriss do the Docter's use the same mounting base as the optimas/jpoint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 6, 2002 Share Posted December 6, 2002 What's the scoop? A lot of PA Open shooters use the Doctor/Optima. Slide ride on frame mounted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted December 8, 2002 Share Posted December 8, 2002 I have now broken two of them, slide ride, on a Beretta 9mm shooting minor loads. The first time was the wire thing described earlier here, and the second I believe was due to a loose mount job by a local smith. When it works, I REALLY like it, and I don't mind the slide ride action at all. I plan to get the mount done right and soldier on with the docter Beretta as a steel open gun, as it will cycle my 100 PF steel loads. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipster Posted December 9, 2002 Share Posted December 9, 2002 Thanks jcollin160. So I'm going to have to have my slide remachined to accept the Doctor sight. Rats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 9, 2002 Share Posted December 9, 2002 Flex, Slide ride, actually machined into the slide. The dot ends up at the same level as open sights. Great for those stupid ports that used to get bigger with my C-more. Sorry guys no more toothpicks for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted December 11, 2002 Author Share Posted December 11, 2002 jcollin you say the docter uses the same mounting holes. Does that mean that an Optima can be used on a docter mount ?? Also is it possible to use a docter sight on a optima base ?? Is up really up or is it down ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted December 11, 2002 Share Posted December 11, 2002 bompa: You can use an Optima on a Docter mount but not the oppposite, the Docter is longer than the Optima, unless you're using the new Rescomp "One for all" mount that accept Cmore, Oko, Optima and Docter on the same mount. I tried to put a Docter on the Allchin Optima mount, and it didn't worked. DVC Julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alpha Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 The mounting screw holes are not indentical but close enough if you enlarge them just a little. The Doc is longer and more importantly the 4 studs that locate the sight on the base are different from the Optima. If you don't use those studs the sight won't return to zero very well when you take it off to change batteries. I've got the dimensions somewhere if anyone needs them. The newest version of ;the Doc with the little screws holding the "hood" on hold up much better but they can still fail if you mount them directly on the slide. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Julien, can you give some details why the Doctor sight didn't work on the Allchin mount? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted December 25, 2002 Author Share Posted December 25, 2002 Finely recieved a Docter Sight and the mount for the CZ75.. Haven't shot it yet but it is impressive.. Quite a bit different than the Optima's I have been useing on other guns.. Its a bit heaver also and I was wondering if that will give me any problems ?? Also the manual is a bit vauge on sighting in and moving the dot..Does one adjust in the same manner as the Optima ?? Move dot to POI ?? Thanks for any help.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 Sighted mine in and it stayed forever, til it broke. (2nd generation.) I do seem to recall the adjustments being backwards from a C-more. With a c-more you turn the direction you want the bullet to go, with the docter you move the dot, which is the opposite direction. (from memory, awhile ago) I grouped mine at 10 yards, then checked it on a pop can at 25 yards. I'm sending my broken one in for the third generation. Good luck, SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted December 25, 2002 Author Share Posted December 25, 2002 Thanks Steve thats what I thought,just like the optima.. Guess the one I got is third gen. as there is a silver tape from the battery to the diode.. Can't wait to try it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 25, 2002 Share Posted December 25, 2002 Bompa, It works like a normal sight. Move the dot to impact. The C-more is bassackwards because the lens moves instead of the dot. You8 have the 3rd gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 just a hint: Docter sights are also sold for airguns. They are the exact same sights, only at about $30 each... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted December 27, 2002 Author Share Posted December 27, 2002 Detlef where can one get these $30 docter sights ?? Do they fit the same mounts ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted December 27, 2002 Share Posted December 27, 2002 "just a hint: Docter sights are also sold for airguns. They are the exact same sights, only at about $30 each" ---------------------------------------------- I have searched high & low on the web, and I find the lowest price on a Docter sight to be about $270 (US). I find that most mounts run about $40 (US). I have not found anything for the Docter that is about $30. I have also found no "Airgun" model of the Docter sight at the manufacturers US website http://docteropticsusa.com/doctersight/index.html The $64 question here is "would a low price "Airgun" model be able to withstand recoil?" Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alpha Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 Doctor doesn't make any cheap red dot sights, there are some similar looking sights but they're not Doctor and are only worth what they charge for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 no, it's the exact same sight, not a cheap version. Simply a marketing thing (can't charge as much for airgun accessories). I'll dig it out for you. It may only be available in Europe... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpspeed Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Looking forward to it Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 I'll take 10 at that price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted December 31, 2002 Share Posted December 31, 2002 Hey Detlef, I'm going to start you on your way to riches. I'm willing (as are others I'm sure) to pay you $60.00 for your $30.00 Docter sight. Buy me a couple and you can make 100% profit per sight. Now where else can you go and have a customer beg to let you make a profit. Matter of fact I'll take 10 at 60 per. P.S. I'll need the origional Docter sight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 Put the Docter sight on my CZ75 and proceded to sight it in..Things were going well,I thought,and then noticed that the mount was loose in the dovetail..Never had this happen with any of the Optimas I have on other guns and they are not loctited on..The Doctor is heavier than the Optimas,is this the reason that it didn't stay in place ?? I have reinstalled it with a liberal amount of blue loctite,will this hold or should I use the red ?? I know that the red is forever,so I am hesitant to use it.. I liked the Docter right away because I shoot in a indoor range and the Optimas get dim where the Doctor was nice and bright.. I have been told to use two 2016 batteries in the Optima..Will this work or will it kill the light ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 while I'm at it, do you want me to get you high-cap Glock magazines for $ 7/pc (last Austria store price I saw). Unfortunately, my time is much too expensive for such dealings to be worth it for me. I am waiting for a response re. the air gun Docter sight. --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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