2alpha Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Bompa, if the mount is loose in the dovetail no amount of loctite will keep it tight. Loctite needs close tolrences to work. You need a new mount or peen the old one to get a good fit. Another way would be to use something like JB weld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 2, 2003 Author Share Posted January 2, 2003 Did I forget to say that I used a bit of shim stock to make things a bit tighter also..This gave me a friction fit,not too tight but tight.enough I hope..Then a liberal dose of blue loctite..Find out this evening if it works.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alpha Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Bompa, I wouldn't be afraid to use red loctite, you can get it loose if you need to and it holds much better than blue. Detlef, since your not interested in making money why don't you share your connection with us so we can all check it out? I could really use a few cheap Doc sights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 2A, I will. As I say, still waiting for the response about the exact source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 o.k., here I go: I was *all wrong*! Docter does not offer their sights cheaper for air guns. Umarex/Walther (the German air gun manufacturer whose products are marketed by S&W in the US) sells a version of the Czech OKO sight at $ 50/pc for their air guns that is identical to OKO's real gun version. I don't know what dot size it is. See http://www.umarex.de and http://www.oktarget.cz/ But an OKO is not a Docter. Sorry for getting you all excited! --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkgsmith Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 And to think I had already spent the money I made from selling my $120.00 sights that I paid Detlef $60.00 for that he was going to buy for $30.00. Go figure. Maybe that's where the saying, "If it sounds to good to be true..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 6, 2003 Author Share Posted January 6, 2003 To backtrack a bit I ran a hundred rounds through the CZ with the Docter sight and everything seemed to stay together fine..Really like the sight as it is so much brighter than the Optima's I have..Shoot in a dark indoor range and the Optima's get real dim..Got to try two # 2016 batteries,was told that they increased the brightness in the Optima..Anybody tried it ?? Does it work ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alpha Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 Does your Doc sight have the little screws on the side that hold the hood around the glass to the frame? If so it might last. The 2 batteries will brighten the dot in an Optima but it's a pain to get to work right, you have to get the battery contacs just right. I think Arendendo makes a battery pack that works good. With either site it's a problem indoors when you stand in a dark area and the targets are lit up, the site adjusts for the dark and dims the dot down when you need it bright. It's automatic and nothing you can do about it, well I tried wiring around the sensor in the Doc site but it was too bright most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 6, 2003 Author Share Posted January 6, 2003 The Docter sight has the screws on the hood and the silver ribbon from the battery to the light.. I shot today in a dark indoor range and compared it with an Optima.. The Optima was dim and the Docter was bright,a world of difference between them.. I suppose only time will tell as far as durability is conserned but I am impressed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 6, 2003 Share Posted January 6, 2003 The sights are self-adjusting to ambient light levels? Cool. Is that why they include those little hoods (other than for just protection)? Extended battery life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 6, 2003 Author Share Posted January 6, 2003 Yes the cover,hood, is supposed to extend battery life to two or three years.. I have Optima's that have been on guns for maybe three years,time does fly,and the batterys are still good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome Poiret Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Quote: from Detlef on 11:34 pm on Jan. 3, 2003 Umarex/Walther (the German air gun manufacturer whose products are marketed by S&W in the US) sells a version of the Czech OKO sight at $ 50/pc for their air guns that is identical to OKO's real gun version. http://www.oktarget.cz/ --Detlef Detlef, The Umarex looks like an OKO, but they are totally different : not the same glass, plastic quality... The Umarex is just good for Airsoft and would not withstand the recoil of a real gun. We tried one on a Tanfoglio open and it blew out right away. Don't use them !!! Been there, done that (actually a friend of mine...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 hmmm, wrong on two counts in one thread? Hard to swallow.... Indeed, I have never tried one, but somone in our club brought one, installed on a Glock. It had *Walther* engraved on it, and stood up fine for about 100 rds. He swore it was the exact same sight... Proving again that this forum is useful for bringing out the facts... --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 8, 2003 Author Share Posted January 8, 2003 Detlef I have to ask..What happened after 100 rounds??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 upon rereading my own post I should have reworded it...anyway: nothing happened, he packed up his gun and left. I called him investigating (in response to people's inquiries here), and he said he hadn't shot the gun since. But if Jerome has a case of the Walther sight breaking immediately, there is indeed strong evidence that *too good to be true*, well....is. --Detlef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2alpha Posted January 9, 2003 Share Posted January 9, 2003 Detlef, thanks for following up on the scopes for us. I wouldn't feel bad about it, ya never know untill you check this stuff out. I sure wish it was true though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detlef Posted January 10, 2003 Share Posted January 10, 2003 kind of difficult to claim now that all I ever say is true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertr Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Quote: from bompa on 11:02 pm on Jan. 5, 2003 I suppose only time will tell as far as durability is conserned but I am impressed.. Bompa, any updates as far as durability goes? Does it hold in place? Any problems with CZ mount? I'm looking into getting Docter too (for CZ 97B), any experience is appreciated. Where did you buy it from? How much did you pay? TIA, -albertr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 albertr I have about 500 rounds through the gun with the Docter sight and have no problems now.. On first try I had a bit of a problem with the mount moving in the dovetail,a bit of shim stock and loctite and everything is great.. I don't know if there is a mount for the 97b but you can check with Arizona Gun Runner as that is where I got mine.. Think EGW is also selling them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertr Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Bompa, thanks for update. Rear sight dovetail in CZ 97B is supposed to be the same size/shape as in 75, AFAIK. The recoil might feel heavier on sight, that could be a concern. Anyway, please keep us updated on your Docter sight, I may consider to get one as well soon, I'll let you know how it goes. -albertr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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