Jon Merricks Posted February 25, 2003 Share Posted February 25, 2003 Try looking here. http://www.brianenos.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard...204&start=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 "If you're in a state where all you can shoot is 10 rounds what's the big deal. Everybody else in that state is shooting the same thing." That's not always the case. Take Claifornia, for example, where it's a criminal offense to possess a > 10 round mag you owned prior to the magazine ban. Newcomers cannot legally compete equally in Open division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Solidsnake, I felt a lot less welcome in Hawaii than I did when I was living in the United Kingdom, Germany, Danmark, Italy, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Kuwait, Korea, or Japan. I left the US in early 1990 and didn't get back until late 1999. I greatly enjoyed every overseas posting but Hawaii, and that was due to the lefty, radical, causcian [sic] child beating, racists. I made some good friends, but was VERY happy to move back to America. Back on topic...I think Limited-10 is just as stupid as the concept of Open-10. I'd rather take the opportunity to follow Vince's sneaky "lets slide USPSA over to the dark side of ISPC" and make Limited-10 into Standard. Push that holster back, boys, and load stubby mags If we want to play Open-10, then make it Modified instead. Stubby guns, stubby mags... Open, Modified, Limited, Standard, Production, Revolver. Then we would have almost as many separate venues as Cowboy Action...then we could have "cleats" and "no cleats", and "stable weapons platforms" and "no stable weapons platforms"... Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Honestly while I feel for the capacity-challenged shooters, I don't see this as worthwhile at this point. Maybe if the AWB gets renewed we'll have to deal with it. I know that "all those single-stack raceguns" everybody talks about don't come out for 5-round friendly steel matches, so why do we expect them at IPSC matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkmccoy Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Hawaii may have been officially recognized as the 50th state, but here in the Republic of Texas we have difficulty accepting a society that so clearly holds inimical those values that we so highly prize. As far as "Open 10" I say H*LL NO!!!!. WHY?!?! The only possible reason to add divisions is to attract new shooters. I do not approve of, nor endorse the addition of L10 or Production except insofar as those divisions might attract new shooters. I am the scorekeeper/stats officer for our local club (and for some of the major matches in the area) and that has NOTHING to do with my opinion. I'm happy to enter shooters in any division they declare. But...We already have six classes in five different divisions. At some matches nearly everyone gets a prize/trophy because they were the only shooter (or one of the 2 or 3 shooters) in their class/division. Now you want to split the competition up even more. No! No! No! I want to compete. I want to know how my skills compare to other shooters. It is nice to be recognized within my classification, but what I really want is to win the whole match (not likely, but that's what I want). If you just want a trophy take your d*mned entry fee down to the local trophy shop and have them make one for you (you can have anything you want engraved on it)! You could be the "Best D*mned Shooter Ever" if you want. If you want to know whether or not you shot better than I did, you need to compete in my division. Is the equipment I have better than the equipment you have? I don't know. There are rules that define what equipment is allowed. I followed those rules and I assume you did. I assume that we are competing on a level field. You could get silly about it...different divisions for different brands of frames, slides, holsters, hammers, etc., etc., etc.,.......... So you live in a state that doesn't allow high-cap magazines...Wah! Wah! Wah!!!! Everyone you are competing against has the same restrictions. If you are one of those poor unfortunates then you just have to live with it (If it's really important to you, you could move). Don't force the same draconian restrictions on those of us who live in places that recognize the second ammendment. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bompa Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Just my thoughts but it seems to me that open-10 would allow a new shooter to start up and be competive without having to spend so much on equipment.. After all several of those large capasity magazines cost,if you can find them,almost as much as a base gun.. Money that would be better spent on ammo..And as someone said earlier there are a bunch of single stack pin and steel guns that could come out of retirement along with their owners and join the fray... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 If the AWB doesn't sunset in 2004, we may have to add Open 10. Until then, i think those States and clubs impacted by it should just add it as a club Division. In the national report those scores would be Open until we do make the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck D Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 You gotta love it. Comments such as "move to the real world". Let you in on a little secret. What happened to the shooters in Mass, N.J. , California, New York and Hawaii just MIGHT happen to you (just ask the good people of Ill). It's too bad that the USPSA world suffers from the "I've got mine, screw you if you don't have yours". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 I moved from Minnesota to Texas because of gun laws...no sympathy for folks who don't: --vote --pester their Congresscritters unmercifully --vote with their feet when (1) and (2) don't work. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 IMHO There would be more people shoot in Open 10 than in Revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 (test) just checking something out...don't mind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 BE, if you can read this post...well, I can't. The only way I can view this thread is to go to the "print" button at the bottom right of the last post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 This is the last post that shows up for me: Posted by: megaman Feb 10 2003, 03:16 PM Hey Alex, isn't Hawaii part of America? You know, the 50th state? Or did I miscount the stars on the American flag? I can see the legitimate gripe about being competative elsewhere. Conversely if shooters used to big stick 170mms, get to Hawaii and have to compete I bet the local shooters would get a hoot watching the hi-cap shooters frustatingly run dry after 10 shots, during the stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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