dfwmiket Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Course of fire includes shooting a Texas Star from port in a barricade...... The shooter engages the star, and blows thru a mag, and then gives up. So only 2 plates of 5 were shot. How should this be scored? Any FTE? I'm waiting to hear responses...... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeInNePa Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Course of fire includes shooting a Texas Star from port in a barricade......The shooter engages the star, and blows thru a mag, and then gives up. So only 2 plates of 5 were shot. How should this be scored? Any FTE? I'm waiting to hear responses...... Mike 2 out of the 5 were hit? Well then, 3 mikes, no FTE. Unless you know for certain that he shot all his ammo at 1 or 2 of the plates left on the star, and not shooting at all at any of the remaining plates, you can't give a FTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman33_99 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 What George said is the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 (edited) I truely hope someone didn't stick this shooter with FTE's...if they did..they had better be able to swear on a stack of Bibles...that the shooter was only shooting at the two plates they knocked down. If they can't...3 Mikes...thats it. Edited March 9, 2006 by SteveZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kane Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Sorry to ask the beginner question but what is the penalty for an FTE? I don't see that on our local score sheets. Do those count as procedurals? Thanks! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZ Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Sorry to ask the beginner question but what is the penalty for an FTE? I don't see that on our local score sheets. Do those count as procedurals? Thanks! John Yeah..they're procedurals. Here's the actual rule from the 15th edition: 10.2.7 A competitor who fails to shoot at any scoring target with at least one round will incur 1 procedural penalty per target, plus the applicable number of misses, except where the provisions of Rules 9.2.4.5 or 9.9.2 apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 (edited) The shooter in your scenario gets three misses as already stated. 10.2.7 A competitor who fails to shoot at any scoring target with at least one round will incur 1 procedural penalty per target, plus the applicable number of misses, except where the provisions of Rules 9.2.4.5 or 9.9.2 apply. You might want to check out the Rule Book It is truly amazing how many of you are so much faster than me....posting as well as shooting. What Steve said.... Edited March 9, 2006 by AikiDale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynn jones Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Course of fire includes shooting a Texas Star from port in a barricade......The shooter engages the star, and blows thru a mag, and then gives up. So only 2 plates of 5 were shot. How should this be scored? Any FTE? I'm waiting to hear responses...... Mike hey hey hey...he said he blew through a magazine, now, was he shooting a lim-10 or a single stack, or a 30 rounder. maybe it was a officers model colt? now what have we learned about asking questions. did he shoot more than 5 rounds at the star? i'm going to bed now. lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 There is a port involved. Is it possible that not all the plates were visable? If one or more plates were not "activated", and made engageable, they would incur procedurals. If the stage staff is unable to tell which targets have been engaged, you have a badly designed stage. Good reason not to use the Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackdragon Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 George, +1 Ivan No FTE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerba Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 You're kidding, right?!?! Unless you know for sure that he DID NOT engage those specific (3) plates, you cannot give any FTE. Anyhoo, would the star not be considered ONE target? It just has 5 points to knock off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 The "Star" is the prop that holds the targets...like a plate "rack". You engage the targets, not the prop. But, no...you aren't going to be able to ding a shooter with FTE's as long as they have fired the enough shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbadaboom Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Simple. If he took 5 or more shots at the plates on the star then no F.T.E.. If he took 4 or fewer shots at the plates on the star then 1 F.T.E. for each shot he did not take at the plates up to 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Norman Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Wide, The Texas* is a great prop. You have to shoot moving targets. Properly set-up it presents the exact same INITIAL challenge to all that shoot. No different than a swinger or drop-turner. Once activated they are not the same, true enough, but a swinger to a fast shooter is far different than it is to a slower shooter. I get there and it is on it's first swing, really moving out, another gets there on the 5th swing, moving very slow. Drop-turner may not even be available to a slow shooter if there is any distance involved. As to the question asked on this thread, the penalty would be three mikes, no FTE SO LONG AS THE SHOOTER FIRED A MINIMUM OF 5 ROUNDS. Since the T* is activated either by being hit once or by having an activator hit, all 5 plates are activated simultaneously, you cannot activate only one of the 5 plates, it is not possible. Would I set it up wit a NS behind the T*, NO, that would be cruel and also too random, partial Haardcover in front on one side, maybe. We like to set it up on the opposite side of the pit from the activator and arrange vision barriers so that you have to activate and then move to the T*. Yes, i Suppose you could pass the activator, shoot the T* and then go shoot the activator, but I think that it would cost far more in time than it would ever be worth. Also I think there would be some penalties involved. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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