Straightshot069 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Good morning. I'm new to the forum and hoping I'm posting this in the right area. I just received a new 1301 Tactical LE. It didn't come with an owners manual so I went online for info on something as basic as loading the tube mag. The problem I'm having is per Beretta, load 1 in the chamber then commence to loading the tube. The first round slides in and every time the second round goes in it automatically sends that round out onto the lifter. Then there's no more loading into the tube. I've tried this every way I can think of, and the second round always clicks in, then immediately out onto the lifter ? The only way I can load the tube is to lock the bolt back and physically hold the lifter up while feeding into the tube. The only other auto I've owned was a 930 SPX and it was cake. Am I missing something here ? I've searched quite a bit on the web and can't find this issue, or a remedy. Any help would sure be appreciated before I call Beretta. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonytheTiger Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 That is a strange problem. Are you sure that the bolt release button is not being depressed or binding on anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight85 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 That's strange, Have you tried replicating the problem with none in the tube and only one in the chamber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 If I load 1 in the chamber, safety on, then move to loading the tube, it except the first round but as soon as I slide the second round into the tube and remove my thumb it automatically throws round #2 up an on to the lifter. I've tried this about twenty times. Exact the same scenario every time. I can't seem to get ahold of Beretta. Online or over there phone on the 800 Beretta # ext 2003 ( for technical support) this extension is not valid. I was extremely stoked about getting this shot gun and now I'm just at my wit's end. At this point it may as well have a 3 round plug in it. I appreciate the feedback. I was really hoping it was me and my inexperience with Beretta's function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 19 hours ago, TonytheTiger said: That is a strange problem. Are you sure that the bolt release button is not being depressed or binding on anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 It doesn't seem to be. The bolt is home, and the release is sticking up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) The 1301 Tactical has a different Cartridge Latch than the 1301 Comp. 1301 Comp Cartridge Latch https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C5F184 1301 Tactical The difference is to prevent accidental double feeds that happen if the rear of the Comp style latch button is 'accidentally' depressed releasing two shells from the mag while the bolt is closed. This makes the Comp very easy to unload, just raise the lifter and press down on the back of the latch, but this drives the tactimmies crazy. The Tactical latch will also release shells from the tube with the bolt closed, but you have to lift up on the front of the latch button to release the shells. The Tactical latch button is a slip on cover. If the cover is too far forward it can overlap the handguard and hold the cartridge latch partially open. If the cover is overlapping the handguard, push it back off the handguard. If it's not on the handguard, try removing it by just pushing it off towards the muzzle. It may be necessary to either remove the handguard or lift the front of the latch while pushing. Then try loading the mag tube full, then chamber a dummy round. Nolan Edited January 28, 2023 by Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 All looks good there Nolan. I just tried it a few minutes ago and #3 made it in before it threw it on to the lifter. Tried it one more time and #1 went up onto the lifter. ?? I tried to send a pic of the bolt release lever but the file is too large. It's up, and clear of the handguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Flip your shotgun loading port up and slide a dummy round into the tube, the cartridge latch should look like this. If the cartridge latch looks like the second photo, either the latch is bent or something is holding the latch out of position. Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 I don't know if this helps or not, but when you put the trigger housing in after disassembly you have to press the mag release button while you rock the assembly into the frame. If not it can impede the shell cutoff lever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 50 minutes ago, kurtm said: I don't know if this helps or not, but when you put the trigger housing in after disassembly you have to press the mag release button while you rock the assembly into the frame. If not it can impede the shell cutoff lever. I'll keep that in mind. I haven't even had it broke down yet. Just pulled it out of the box yesterday and immediately went to scratching my head on loading the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 9 hours ago, Nolan said: Flip your shotgun loading port up and slide a dummy round into the tube, the cartridge latch should look like this. If the cartridge latch looks like the second photo, either the latch is bent or something is holding the latch out of position. Nolan Thanks Nolan. I'll take a look at it. It's odd, last night it was every second round, every time. Today it was second, third, first. I think it's definitely in that latch. Could that latch have slid forward into the mag tube further ? Or is it a fixed position, and can't move fore or aft ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 9 hours ago, Nolan said: Flip your shotgun loading port up and slide a dummy round into the tube, the cartridge latch should look like this. If the cartridge latch looks like the second photo, either the latch is bent or something is holding the latch out of position. Nolan Well, I just checked it and it's about half way between both of those pics. It definitely isn't protruded out on the case as far as your first pic. It's actually pretty close to the second pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Straightshot069 said: Well, I just checked it and it's about half way between both of those pics. It definitely isn't protruded out on the case as far as your first pic. It's actually pretty close to the second pic. I probably need to tear it down and clean everything and see if I can get in there and get a closer look at that latch assembly. No owners manual so it's time to Google disassembly. I appreciate the pic's Nolan that definitely helped. There's something up in that latch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCat Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) With an empty chamber and bolt closed slide one shell into the tube, making sure the shell rim is forward of the shell latch. Will the latch move over under its spring pressure (toward the center line of the receiver) and hold that shell in the tube? Can you move that shell in the magazine tube side to side and get it the slip past the latch and back in to the receiver? Edited January 29, 2023 by GunCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmc45414 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Here is a download to a generic auto shotgun manual I found: ENG_SEMIAUTO_digital_A4.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 The Gen 1 (?) 1301 Tactical owners manual is located here: https://manualzz.com/doc/56025046/beretta-1301-tactical-instruction-manual This is the same manual that came with mine, even though mine (Gen 2 ?) has the new style C5H273 cartridge latch button and the manual shows the C5F184 button used on the 1301 Comp. Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 11 hours ago, mmc45414 said: Here is a download to a generic auto shotgun manual I found: ENG_SEMIAUTO_digital_A4.pdf Thank you. I clicked on it and didn't get anything. I see Nolan sent the factory one below. I'll check that one out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Nolan said: The Gen 1 (?) 1301 Tactical owners manual is located here: https://manualzz.com/doc/56025046/beretta-1301-tactical-instruction-manual This is the same manual that came with mine, even though mine (Gen 2 ?) has the new style C5H273 cartridge latch button and the manual shows the C5F184 button used on the 1301 Comp. Nolan Thanks again Nolan. I read somewhere that Beretta will send one if I can actually get ahold of them. That seems to be a chore. This one will give me what I need for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 11 hours ago, GunCat said: With an empty chamber and bolt closed slide one shell into the tube, making sure the shell rim is forward of the shell latch. Will the latch move over under its spring pressure (toward the center line of the receiver) and hold that shell in the tube? Can you move that shell in the magazine tube side to side and get it the slip past the latch and back in to the receiver? Thanks GunCat. Ok, the latch springs back under it's own pressure, and I can't wiggle the shell and get it past the latch. The latch is barely holding the rim ( just about like Nolans second pic). If I load with my thumb until I feel the rim snap past the latch it'll pop the second one out onto the lifter. If I push the shell about 1/2" past where I feel the rim go past the latch it will load. But I have to push each one past the latch about 1/2". Which seems pretty excessive. My 930 SPX is just a snap past the latch. I'm starting to wonder if there isn't some crap up inside the latch tang or if the face of that latch has an issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunCat Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Something is amiss. Once the shell clears the front of the latch it should not matter if you push it 1.00” or .001” more. Clearance is clearance. Does the front end of the shell lifter contact the latch when loading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straightshot069 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 16 hours ago, GunCat said: Something is amiss. Once the shell clears the front of the latch it should not matter if you push it 1.00” or .001” more. Clearance is clearance. Does the front end of the shell lifter contact the latch when loading? No it doesn't. There's about 1/8" clearance there. It looks like the spring loaded tang on the latch is just not coming out all the way. I'm thinking get in there with some brake kleen and try to blow out that mechanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmc45414 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Straightshot069 said: No it doesn't. There's about 1/8" clearance there. It looks like the spring loaded tang on the latch is just not coming out all the way. I'm thinking get in there with some brake kleen and try to blow out that mechanism. Dunno how comfortable you are with stuff like this, but I had mine out (on my 391) to put the tactical latch on the field gun I was using for three gun, and it wasn't that difficult. There might be a pebble or some other debris in there, or perhaps a bent or broken spring. If a piece of shot got up in there it would act just like it is acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 No one said they put the trigger group in it right from the factory. Pull the trigger group, push the shell release in while reinserting the trigger group and give it a try. While you have the trigger group out look for any foreign junk. It is easy to do, and takes almost no time at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Disassembly/Re-assembly videos less detailed version from Beretta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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