1911vm Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Going to start loading. Trying to decide between the two. Some say 1050 faster. Others are telling me 650 . Easier to use. Also the big one for me is that the no bs warranty does not apply to 1050. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertEagleCal50 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 650 is running fine after some tuning on my mark7. Cannt tell you anything about 1050, but speed is not the point. Warranty does matter, got several replacement parts until now.Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 It depends on what you are reloading. I went with the 1050 because of the swaging station and priming on the downstroke. I have not used a 650 so I can't give you a comparison. The 1050 is very easy to use. However, it is very expensive to add additional calibers. I have a separate toolhead for each caliber I load. It takes me about 15 minutes to change from small to large primer setups. I don't have a Mark 7 (which would be nice), but I do have a MBF and it takes me about 3 minutes to load 100 rounds by hand. I have had to get one replacement part, but it was because of my negligence. They sent the part with no questions.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 4 hours ago, 1911vm said: Some say 1050 faster, others tell me 650 . Easier to use. the no bs warranty does not apply to 1050. 1050 is faster than the 650. 650 is easier to use. I've read, here on BE, that the 1050 don't break ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 So I need to explain a bit more about my situation. I actually have a 1050 that is about 10-15 years old. I got it second hand about 4years ago. Never used it just did not have room or inclination. Then decided to get started. And had a flood in the basement 5 in of water so the 1050 got some surface rust I cleaned most of it of. I called Dillon they said it's going to cost 350 to do a complete rebuild. I think that is fair, but it would be 0 if it was not a 1050. So since I am starting from scratch. Maybe I should sell the 1050 and get a 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Hi-Power Jack said: 1050 is faster than the 650. 650 is easier to use. I've read, here on BE, that the 1050 don't break ... Well if it's on the internet must be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, 1911vm said: Maybe I should sell the 1050 and get a 650. You can have a 1050 for $300, or a 650 for $700 .... The real important question, as camarros mentioned, is what are you going to do with the reloader? How many calibers? How many rounds/month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hi-Power Jack said: You can have a 1050 for $300, or a 650 for $700 .... The real important question, as camarros mentioned, is what are you going to do with the reloader? How many calibers? How many rounds/month? That is 300$ additional. I am not sure what a 1050 sells for. 9mm 500-1000 / month 223. 200-500 / month .45. 100 / month. Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 You would be fine with the 650. However, if I had a 1050 that I could send to get it rebuilt, I would do it. If you don't plan on it. You can sell it to me for $350 and I will have it rebuilt.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 A used 1050 goes from anywhere around $1300-$1400 (it would need to be in good working condition). You can buy a new one for $1779 from Dillon. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 If I decide to go with 650 I will rebuild 1050 and sell it to fund the 650. Unless you are saying that a rebuild 1050 is worth $700? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 A rebuilt 1050 can get you around $1300.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Did it come with additional toolheads?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmagee67 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I shoot and reload mostly 9mm so the 1050 is great, crimped primer pockets are a non-issue...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
191138sc Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, camaross400 said: Did it come with additional toolheads? Great question by camoross. Also, do you intend to use a Mark 7 in the future? If so, rebuilding the 1050 is the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 No its only .45 at the moment. So I am totally new to reloading. Mark 7 is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 No its only .45 at the moment. So I am totally new to reloading. Mark 7 is ?http://www.markvii-loading.com/Mark-7-1050-X-Autodrive_p_13.htmlSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 2500$ to automate. As cool as it seems I doubt it. Planning on using arm power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camaross400 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Ha ha ha. I use arm power too. It's not too bad, but I would love to have a Mark 7.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want2BS8ed Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 650 is running fine after some tuning on my mark7. Cannt tell you anything about 1050, but speed is not the point. Warranty does matter, got several replacement parts until now. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk You do realize that automating the 650 voided your warranty? And you are absolutely correct, speed is not the "only" point... don't forget consistency, reduced processing steps and quality of the finished ammunition. Adjustable primer seating depth and priming on the down stroke are worth the price of admission of a 1050 over a 650 alone IMO. Going to start loading. Trying to decide between the two. Some say 1050 faster. Others are telling me 650 . Easier to use. Also the big one for me is that the no bs warranty does not apply to 1050. If you have a 1050 that can be rebuilt for $350, by all means your decision has been made - don't even think about buying a 650! Never understood all the drama about 1050's being more difficult to run either. Using and maintaining a 1050 isn't any harder than running a 650 - if anything it's less fiddly because you're not asking the press to do quite as much multi-tasking at each station (think priming here). Setting up spare tool heads is definitely more expensive, but your well ahead in that respect vs buying a new press. M Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman711 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Unless your going to load thousands of rounds at a time, including military primed brass go with the 650. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Want2BS8ed Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Unless your going to load thousands of rounds at a time, including military primed brass go with the 650. Good luck.Why? In the OP's case, why spend $810 for a 650 with case feeder, when he can have an $1,779 1050 for a meager investment of $350 for rebuilding the 1050 he already owns?And you are also making a pricing assumption based on volume alone. Volume and primer pocket swaging are not the only reasons to choose a 1050 over a 650. A 1050 inherently cranks out more consistent and more accurate ammunition than a 650 as well.- Adjustable primer seating depth eliminates seating primers by feel- priming on the down stroke requires less effort to cycle the machine- the swaging station expands the case mouth without belling the case providing more consistent neck tension- dies move to meet rounds rather than the other way around providing more concentric bullet seating and crimping, and- you pick-up an extra station for a bullet feeder or powder check.There's nothing wrong with a Dillon 650 - certainly miles ahead of any other 5-stage press out there, but it's not a 1050.Now the 1050 is hellishly more expensive upfront (as are spare tool heads and caliber changes), but here? In this instance? Geez it would actually cost the OP more money to get less capability.M Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertEagleCal50 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I hava Hornady LNL AP and startet from scretch with 650 and Mark 7. Took me a view Weeks including new (Rev 2) parts from Dillon, all the after market bearings staff and now I do not use my arm for a press any more. The mashine runs and I do other things. I changed one thing to get the powder cop and a seating and seperate crimping die running. Use the Hornady Powder Dropper on Stage 1, Powder Cop on Stage 2 that stops the Mark, so I have a good feeling of non wrong bullets. With the Mr. Bullet Feeder it is nearly perfect running, but some times the bullets are upside down or do not dropp, but the spilled powder in the basket is not a big deal. Maintenance is also very easy, I do it after every 100kg deprimed brass, thats all.Priming is one necessary step before loading until I use the Stage 1 for the Powder Dropper, but I just fill in the 100 primers in the tube with the Hornady 1911 until the mashine needs them. Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 12 hours ago, 1911vm said: 9mm 500-1000 / month 223. 200-500 / month .45. 100 / month. Max A 650 is what you need. A 550 would actually do, just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultimase Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) only one caliber and you already have a 1050? 1050 without hesitation. The 650 is a capable machine, but it excels over the 1050 if you're going to be doing multiple calibers. Only one caliber? the 1050 excels in pumping out one caliber. The 1050's biggest weakness falls to multiple calibers, as it becomes very expensive to run multiple toolheads versus the 650. Even more so if you can get a new 1050 for $300 versus buying a 650. But then there is the question on if you really need a rebuild. I have you gotten it together to see if everything still moves? Some surface rust isn't a huge deal, as long as everything still moves freely and consistently. Edited September 6, 2017 by ultimase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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