SlvrDragon50 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Sourced from CZ firearms..Deleted OP, but I'd guess that has to be CZC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Oh wow, source image is huge resolution. Yes, the sticker does say CZ USA KANSAS CITY KS USA, so the story checks out. Off to shoot my Shadow 2 in its first match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 20 minutes ago, adamge said: Oh wow, source image is huge resolution. Yes, the sticker does say CZ USA KANSAS CITY KS USA, so the story checks out. Off to shoot my Shadow 2 in its first match. Darn you Canadians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 If it's any consolation, my brand new urban grey Shadow 2 got whooped by a 5 year old Shadow 1 with probably 50k rounds through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, adamge said: If it's any consolation, my brand new urban grey Shadow 2 got whooped by a 5 year old Shadow 1 with probably 50k rounds through it. I'm going to chalk it up to you learning a new gun I honestly still can't decide between Urban Grey and Black Nitride so more time is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Sadly I chalk it up to LOFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Hmmm, "black polycoat" , not what I was hoping for but perhaps the next top secret spy photo will be some black nitrides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, IHAVEGAS said: Hmmm, "black polycoat" , not what I was hoping for but perhaps the next top secret spy photo will be some black nitrides. The part number is supposedly the one for black nitride tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I maintain my thought that a true nitride frame Shadow 2 does not exist, and that all the black ones are polycoat black frames. Until I see a photo with both side by side that clearly shows the nitride as being visibly different from the polycoat, that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, SlvrDragon50 said: The part number is supposedly the one for black nitride tho. 1 minute ago, adamge said: I maintain my thought that a true nitride frame Shadow 2 does not exist, and that all the black ones are polycoat black frames. Until I see a photo with both side by side that clearly shows the nitride as being visibly different from the polycoat, that is. Hmmm, total confusion and a conspiracy theory. I was worried that we might be seeing a change in the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 That would be pretty weird to pay $100 for only a black nitride'd slide. TBH, the more I think about it, the Urban Grey looks pretty sexy, and I can put that $100 towards some upgrades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, SlvrDragon50 said: That would be pretty weird to pay $100 for only a black nitride'd slide. TBH, the more I think about it, the Urban Grey looks pretty sexy, and I can put that $100 towards some upgrades If you really want to be confused read page 22 in the 2017 product catalog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 minute ago, IHAVEGAS said: If you really want to be confused read page 22 in the 2017 product catalog. That was released before the guns were actually being made right? Because the initial rumors were that they were all black nitride. Not that I really care since the poly is pretty durable anyways, but I feel like saying it's nitrided when it's not would leave room for a false advertisement lawsuit? Or is polycoat over nitride the standard treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 minute ago, SlvrDragon50 said: That was released before the guns were actually being made right? Because the initial rumors were that they were all black nitride. Not that I really care since the poly is pretty durable anyways, but I feel like saying it's nitrided when it's not would leave room for a false advertisement lawsuit? Or is polycoat over nitride the standard treatment? Good questions all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 next class I'll pics of my Arcore ones beside the Polycoat ones my students have. There is a difference. you can feel it more than you can see it though. The Poly is over the Arcore treatment. So yes, they are all nitrided/arcore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 6 hours ago, slavex said: next class I'll pics of my Arcore ones beside the Polycoat ones my students have. There is a difference. you can feel it more than you can see it though. The Poly is over the Arcore treatment. So yes, they are all nitrided/arcore. Oh, if there's all nitrided then why would the polycoat cost less? Or is the arcore just a thicker layer on the "nitride" version? Is the Arcore more glossy in terms of feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 So I think I have a theory on why Poly overtop of Nitride. A friend's company is doing their actions with Nitride and are having a ton of problems with it. Until their latest batch from the new machine shop, the Nitriding was showing up like polka dots on the actions. Any minute change in surface composition changes color slightly differently during nitriding. So, according to the finisher, if the feed rate caused a spot to heat differently enough during machine (bad tools, sudden loss of coolant etc) it would be obvious once N was applied. Same probably could happen with the frames on the 2s. Especially given they are cast first then machined, if there are any minor little impurities, that normally wouldn't be visible to the naked eye, they will show up in the Nitriding. Nothing mechanically wrong, pass all QC, but cosmetically not so great. But someone has to go through and sort that. For my buddies company, any actions that made it through cost $100 more than the ones they culled out and Cerakoated as they know their actions are preferred in pure Nitride coating. I'd assume the same applies with the CZ frames, but could be speaking from my ass on it. I have personally witnessed it with my friends rifles though. Down below are my two Shadow 2s on either side of my buddies Shadow 2. Mine are both pure Arcore (Nitride) and his is poly. We wiped all three down with a couple cloths. Now the flash made the one on the right shiny looking, they aren't . Mine has a much smoother feeling to it than the gun in the center, it feels like any other Shadow frame. Mine are just smooth metal that is nice and black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 And that is why you do not use high gloss paint on dry wall. Sounds reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissionaryMike Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Honestly, I can't see the difference in the coatings from the picture. The ones on the left and the center pretty much look the same. Edited February 22, 2017 by MissionaryMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlvrDragon50 Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm with Mike. But the explanation makes a lot of sense slavex, a lot like binning for computer graphics cards, you're paying more for the ones that make it through more stringent testing. So you say yours feels like any other Shadow frame though... did the polycoat change or something? I wonder why the nitride feels more like the older shadow frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Sorry that was written poorly, the one in the center, the poly one, feel like a regular Shadow frame, the two outside ones are much smoother feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I am having a hard time buying the whole "nitride is hard to get right" story, since you can send any gun you want off to get nitrided and it comes back all consistent and black. Tons of people get nitride/tenifer/ferritic nitrocarburizing coatings on their guns and they are plenty consistent. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAVEGAS Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Gooldylocks said: I am having a hard time buying the whole "nitride is hard to get right" story, since you can send any gun you want off to get nitrided and it comes back all consistent and black. Tons of people get nitride/tenifer/ferritic nitrocarburizing coatings on their guns and they are plenty consistent. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk How much do they pay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooldylocks Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 How much do they pay?A lot, which would explain the cost increase over the polycoat guns. But if it's just nitride slides on polycoat frames as has been alleged..? Seems like the cheap way out from CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 The frames are all nitrided, at least as of my last talk with the factory, then poly over top. I agree tons of people send out guns to get nitrided and get them back looking good. But having seen my buddies rifle actions and talked to the owner of the company doing the nitriding, I'm going to assume he knows what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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