Steve Anderson Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 I though I was already doing it, but I discovered yesterday morning what it really means, and it will take me to the next plateau! I noticed AFTER, that what I had been doing was following the front sight around from target to target. So yesterday, I was running the classifier "front sight" as a drill for transitions and it happened. I channeled all my awareness to moving the gun to the next target wth my eyes ALREADY THERE WAITING FOR IT. This worked BEAUTIFULLY. my times dropped and more importantly the hits improved. I ran the forward facing portion at 2.65, looked at the targets and grinned like a fool. All A's. I wish I could explain in greater detail how this happened, but this is the best I could do: Call the shot, look at next target, find the gun on target. Repeat. Do not follow the sight from target to target. You'll use the wrong focus and hits and time will both suffer. Thanks Brian. I had read this in the book and tought I understood it before. Now I do. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 One step closer bud. Congrats...now I must go out and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Steve, I am blind as a bat! The first time or two that we practiced together...I wondered why you had slow transitions. We need to shoot together more often. I shuld have caugt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Some moderator you are! Seriously, if you had told me that was the problem, I probably would not not have had the awakening then. This feeling and seeing cannot be explained, it must be experienced. Again, I though I WAS ALREADY doing it. It took relaxing and watching to really experience it. Cool. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Its a version of aim small, miss small. Wait til you need to aim at a smaller spot on the target. Oh wait, I am not supposed to help any more since you all are going to start beating me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Yes, keep your eyes (and mind) moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 benos: Keep your mind moving...that could be a whole chapter in the new book...hint...hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Steve, In our practice session, when we shot the Glock M (with the 3 steel in the middle)... When we decided to slow down and shoot it clean...I experienced the reverse. I was having trouble using a type 4 focus...following my front sight from target to target. My eyes just naturally went to the next target. I really hadn't experienced noticed that before. The trick here (one of them) is to not loss your follow-thru. Oh...this would explain some of the challenge you have with black steel too. (in various forms of shadows and blending into the background) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 Ah... In a type 4 array, would you WANT to follow the sight, or would you want to see it lift, acquire the target then re-acquire the sight ala type 4? Interesting. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 25, 2002 Share Posted October 25, 2002 type 4 focus...following my front sight from target to target. ...been a while (and my book) is at the other house still...did I define type 4 wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 26, 2002 Share Posted October 26, 2002 You're right. Type four stays on the front sight, target is periphally seen. Also says most of us see about a 3.5 when we think it's a 4...I'd agree from my perspective. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 Technically, if locating a target is involved, it's Type 3. It's not possible to consistently stop your gun precisely on a spot if you don't at least "glance" to it. Type 4 is for shooting multiple shots at the same target. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 28, 2002 Share Posted October 28, 2002 So, Bianchi plates @ 25 yds are a 3.5 or 4? Have to be a 3-somthing from plate to plate....right? SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 OK, I'll be the one to admit that I'm out of step with everyone else. I use type 4 focus exclusively, but admittedly I only shoot (at present) paper targets 2'6" centre to centre at from 10 yards out to 50 yards, and Bowling Pins. I have tried locating targets with my eyes and having the pistol follow but it didn't seem to work for me (try harder I hear you say??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Stick with it, it took me awhile before I could do it consistently too. You'll know it when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted October 30, 2002 Share Posted October 30, 2002 Before, when running around in a competition I could never remember ever seeing my sights (wonder what type of focus this is ), though in practice sessions, I can. Recently, I've started telling myself to LOOK at the target then SEE the sights before breaking the shot. I guess it's working because in the last competition I joined I actually had targets bearing 2 A-shots (used to be alpha-charlie or charlie-delta and the occassional "sir, verify target -- alpha-MISS"...aack.) But then here comes those contact distance targets begging to be hosed and everything starts falling apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted November 4, 2002 Share Posted November 4, 2002 Just a few weeks ago I was doing some dryfire drills with some IPSC targets stapled to my hotel wall (oh yeah), and tried it both ways (leading with the eyes, and tracking the front sight to the next target). What I found was I could keep my eyes ahead of the gun, and when I "saw" front sight coming in from the left (in this example) I was able to stop it dead in the a-zone. But, if I didn't lead with my eyes and kept them with the gun, I always overran the a-zone into the c/d area, or stopped short of the a-zone. Just what I noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 What bigDave said is pretty much the way it is/happens. Good observation. be Steve, With the hopes of putting this to rest, you should shoot 25 yd Bianchi plates with a Type 3.81417141714171417 focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted November 5, 2002 Share Posted November 5, 2002 Shouldn't that be 3.141592+. But then you'd be shooting pi plates. BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH!! Sometimes I slay me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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