waktasz Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Shooting CM 13-06 today. (Five targets, shoot 1 on each, reload, shoot 1 on each. Virginia count) Shooter double taps the first target, but shoots the others with one shot, as he should. After the reload shoots all 5 targets as expected. There are no extra hits on target. How many penalties? I was RO-ing. As soon as he double tapped the first target I held up a finger for a PE, I thought that made sense, right? Then since his last shot of the stage was his 11th shot, I held up another one for an extra shot. Is this giving him two penalties for the same thing? Shooter ended up getting one PE for the stage, but I still am not sure which is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 1 extra shot I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 (edited) 1 penalty, you counted the extra shot twice, and since he didn't hit the targets will all the shots, there is no extra hit penalty. The double tap wasn't an extra shot until shot #11, as the RO, you shouldn't have been watching where he was shooting. (watch the gun). Now if he was shot stacking, that would be another thing. (2, 2, 1, reload, 1, 2, 2) Edited March 6, 2016 by Bkreutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Count shots at the shooter and hits when scoring. He only gets one extra shot penalt here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZinSC Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Count shots at the shooter and hits when scoring. He only gets one extra shot penalt hereThis ^^^1 penalty for 1 extra shot. that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waktasz Posted March 6, 2016 Author Share Posted March 6, 2016 1 penalty, you counted the extra shot twice, and since he didn't hit the targets will all the shots, there is no extra hit penalty. The double tap wasn't an extra shot until shot #11, as the RO, you shouldn't have been watching where he was shooting. (watch the gun). Now if he was shot stacking, that would be another thing. (2, 2, 1, reload, 1, 2, 2) I was watching the gun. It's pretty obvious that he doubled the first target. Good to know we got it right for this shooter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 If someone asks to see the rules used to make the above decisions: 10.2.2.1 Procedural penalties for failure to comply with stage procedures do not apply to the number of shots fired. Penalties for firing insufficient or additional shots are addressed in other rules and must not be penalized under the provisions of 10.2.2. ...and... 9.4.5 In a Virginia Count Course of Fire or a Fixed Time Course of Fire:9.4.5.1 Extra shots (i.e. shots fired in excess of the number specified in a component string or stage), will each incur one procedural penalty. Additionally, during scoring, no more than the specified number and highest scoring hits will be awarded.9.4.5.2 Extra hits (i.e. hits on the scoring area of scoring paper targets in excess of the total number specified in the stage), will each incur one procedural penalty. Note that hits on hard cover and/or no-shoots are not treated as Extra Hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEuropa Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 So, according to 9.4.5.2, if the shooter in question was making up a D zone hit on the first target and hit the A zone with his second shot, he would be assessed 2 procedurals? 1 for the extra shot (counted at the end of the cof) and 1 for the extra hit on the 1st target (however he would get A zone points? Am I reading that correctly? Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 So, according to 9.4.5.2, if the shooter in question was making up a D zone hit on the first target and hit the A zone with his second shot, he would be assessed 2 procedurals? 1 for the extra shot (counted at the end of the cof) and 1 for the extra hit on the 1st target (however he would get A zone points? Am I reading that correctly? Alex Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 So, according to 9.4.5.2, if the shooter in question was making up a D zone hit on the first target and hit the A zone with his second shot, he would be assessed 2 procedurals? 1 for the extra shot (counted at the end of the cof) and 1 for the extra hit on the 1st target (however he would get A zone points? Am I reading that correctly? Alex Exactly! Indeed! You gave to be pretty damn fast to makeup a shot on Virginia count stage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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