ES13Raven Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Just for fun, I took 3 shooter's scores from a USPSA match and applied IDPA scoring to it. Interesting that the 1st place shooter in USPSA is 3rd with IDPA scoring. The only thing I couldn't account for was possible FTNs: Edited July 31, 2015 by ES13Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Did you account for major and minor scoring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forrest Halley Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Hit factor vs. Time added scoring for you. Assuming you were a revolver shooter you could triple score it to idpa, USPSA, and ICORE. You'd likely come up with different placing there too. Maybe a fun match would be to put several targets of various disciplines up and take the time for each stage and triple or quad score it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 Did you account for major and minor scoring? What do you mean? The original HFs are scored major & minor. IDPA does not have different scoring for major and minor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkreutz Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Did you account for major and minor scoring? What do you mean? The original HFs are scored major & minor. IDPA does not have different scoring for major and minor. In the USPSA scoring, the Major shooting has a higher hit factor because he got more points and finished first. Since there is no scoring difference in IDPA he finished third. If you scored him minor, he would have finished in the same place as he did in IDPA Edited July 30, 2015 by Bkreutz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 In the USPSA scoring, the Major shooting has a higher hit factor because he got more points and finished first. Since there is no scoring difference in IDPA he finished third. If you scored him minor, he would have finished in the same place as he did in IDPA True. But this wasn't a USPSA major vs. minor scoring comparison. This was just a USPSA scoring vs. IDPA scoring comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) My math was off on the Hit Factor totals. I added all the HFs together and divided by 5, but that doesn't come out right. I will fix it and add the minor scoring for Shooter 3. Edit: Should be correct now. Edited July 31, 2015 by ES13Raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 If you scored him minor, he would have finished in the same place as he did in IDPA Turns out with minor scoring, Shooter 3 would not have the lowest HF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 interesting, but no really. it's a pretty simple concept that on a typical uspsa stage, a charlie is equivalent to .2-ish seconds if shooting major, and .4-ish seconds if shooting minor, whereas in IDPA a charlie is worth .5 seconds. That's why it's important to hit aplhas if you're shooting minor, and why it's even MORE important to hit the down-zero if you're shooting IDPA. Obviously, the shooters would change their strategy if you changed the scoring (and told them about it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted August 10, 2015 Author Share Posted August 10, 2015 on a typical uspsa stage, a charlie is equivalent to .2-ish seconds if shooting major, and .4-ish seconds if shooting minor Does that change much on a 30 second stage vs. a 15 second stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Tompkins Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If the average USPSA hit factor (points / sec) is 5.0 then droping a point means you have to shoot 0.2 sec faster to keep the same hit factor, i.e., a point is worth 0.2 sec. If the hit factor is 2.0 (very low for most USPSA stages) then a point is worth 0.5 sec. Compared to IDPA scoring, USPSA scoring favors speed over accuracy, up to a point. In USPSA a Mike is not just 5 points lost but an additional 10 points removed, its worth 15 points. At an average hit factor of 5.0, you need to shoot 3 sec faster to make up that Mike, just a tad more than in IDPA. On larger run & gun USPSA stages you CAN shoot fast enough to win. Its much harder in IDPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Tompkins Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) We have a fair number of crossover shooters in the local area and I can't tell you how many times an IDPA shooter shows up at a USPSA match and shoots all alpha's and is dismayed they are in the bottom of the field or a USPSA shooter shows up at an IDPA match and shoots a really fast time on the stage only to find they are at the bottom of field due to Mikes and FTN's. Been there, done that. Edited August 12, 2015 by Rob Tompkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racinready300ex Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) I don't think smoking a stage would include Mikes and FTN's. Edited August 10, 2015 by Racinready300ex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 on a typical uspsa stage, a charlie is equivalent to .2-ish seconds if shooting major, and .4-ish seconds if shooting minor Does that change much on a 30 second stage vs. a 15 second stage? As rob astutely outlined, it changes based on hit factor, not on length of stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Tompkins Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I don't think smoking a stage would include Mikes and FTN's. "Smoking it" in the context I used it is in terms of raw time only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 I don't think smoking a stage would include Mikes and FTN's. "Smoking it" in the context I used it is in terms of raw time only. If you 'smoke' a stage in uspsa with lots of mikes and deltas, you are going to suck almost as bad as in idpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Tompkins Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 We have a fair number of crossover shooters in the local area and I can't tell you how many times an IDPA shooter shows up at a USPSA match and shoots all alpha's and is dismayed they are in the bottom of the field or a USPSA shooter shows up at an IDPA match and shoots a really fast time on the stage only to find they are at the bottom of field due to Mikes and FTN's. Been there, done that. We have a fair number of crossover shooters in the local area and I can't tell you how many times an IDPA shooter shows up at a USPSA match and shoots all alpha's and is dismayed they are in the bottom of the field or a USPSA shooter shows up at an IDPA match and shoots a really fast time on the stage only to find they are at the bottom of field due to Mikes and FTN's. Been there, done that. I don't think smoking a stage would include Mikes and FTN's. "Smoking it" in the context I used it is in terms of raw time only. If you 'smoke' a stage in uspsa with lots of mikes and deltas, you are going to suck almost as bad as in idpa. I changed my previous post so we are not debating the meaning of "smoking" a stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 still, not matter what, in both sports, if you haul azz, and have crappy hits, you won't do well unless there are no good shooters there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordfan485 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Hard to really score the targets with idpa rules with out seeing the hits. For example low A zone hits would be a -1 on an idpa target not -0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ES13Raven Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Hard to really score the targets with idpa rules with out seeing the hits. For example low A zone hits would be a -1 on an idpa target not -0. True, but this wasn't a scientific experiment - just a fun exercise. C hits close to the side of the A zone would be a -0 in an IDPA target too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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