j2fast Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 This is my first year of giving competive shooting a try. I am going to shoot in Production and was wondering if slam/base pads are legal? I did some searches and checked the FAQ's and could find anything specific. I also read the rule book and it says no max mag length but also no weighted attachments on mags. Thanks is advance for any info. Jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 I don't think they are legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Sure they are, they just have to be factory pads. CZ-USA just came out with basepads that we are using now in Production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 So does that mean that the Glock +2s are legal in USPSA Production? Or do the CZ mags come with the pads on 'em on certain models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Here is one thread...if you feel like wading thru the thing: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...se%20pads&st=20 It has been my understanding that you could only use "standard" magazines...that come with your gun. I am not against using the +2's for the Glock, or bumper pads for the CZ, I just don't think they have been allowed in the past. Who knows though...our (USPSA) Production rules are pretty shakey, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmshtr Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Your +2's wouldn't be allowed in US or IPSC production. The CZ's are now being offered as a "factory" mag, so there's no problem with that, just like the bigger base pads on the Beretta mags that come with the Elite models are legal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Like Matt and Phil said, they have to be factory pads and they cannot increase mag capacity. That's why the Glock factory +2 pads are not legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Todd I don't think capacity has anything to do with it...not in USPSA, anyway. Matt, Phil and Todd... I think you guys might be confusing/factoring in the IPSC Production rules (19 & 19.2 specifically). IPSC 19. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following: ... IPSC 19.2 Base plates and/or any other devices which provide additional ammunition capacity (e.g. "+2" magazine extensions), are prohidited. I believe that j2fast was asking about USPSA Production rules. Looking at the USPSA rules, all I can see that apply are... 8. Magazine length restrictions No 9. Magazine capacity restrictions Yes 10 rounds maximum in magazine after the start signal 21.1 No weighted attachments allowed to magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 I don't know what it all means..but those appear to be the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Mink Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Well in USPSA, a basepad would be illegal since it is an external mod, but since ours are factory, they are OK. Not a mod. I think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Clear as mud! Why doesn't somebody email Amidon and get the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeFoley Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 At one time, Glock mags were available in factory packaging with +2 bases on them. I don't think they were shipped with guns, but you could buy them pre-assembled as 19 rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 At one time, Glock mags were available in factory packaging with +2 bases on them. I don't think they were shipped with guns, but you could buy them pre-assembled as 19 rounders. Which I did...before I went to play in the sand in the Gulf War. Clear as mud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardschennberg Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 It seems to me that the prevailing consensus in USPSA is that extended or weighted base pads are out, but shorter, lighter, and equal-weight base pads are O.K. For instance, it should be O.K. to take a Para .45 16 round magazine, substitute a flat plastic base pad for the factory +2, and shoot it in a Para LDA. We probably need some input from overseas range officers on how IPSC rules on base pads for their Production Division. Richard Schennberg.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 FWIW, glocks back here now come with the +2 BP's (and us IPSC guys have to actually scramble looking for the flat pads that are hard to find). Will that impact your USPSA rules as being factory-offered from the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Todd I don't think capacity has anything to do with it...not in USPSA, anyway.Matt, Phil and Todd... I think you guys might be confusing/factoring in the IPSC Production rules (19 & 19.2 specifically). IPSC 19. Original parts and components offered by the OFM as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific handgun on the IPSC approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following: ... IPSC 19.2 Base plates and/or any other devices which provide additional ammunition capacity (e.g. "+2" magazine extensions), are prohidited. I believe that j2fast was asking about USPSA Production rules. Looking at the USPSA rules, all I can see that apply are... 8. Magazine length restrictions No 9. Magazine capacity restrictions Yes 10 rounds maximum in magazine after the start signal 21.1 No weighted attachments allowed to magazines. 8. Magazine length restrictions No 9. Magazine capacity restrictions Yes 10 rounds maximum in magazine after the start signal 21.1 No weighted attachments allowed to magazines. Question. I have a Para SS LDA - Can I run a 10 round mag in it for Production? CAn I run a Wilson Mag with the standard Wilson rubber base bumper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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